Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Nancy Drew 39]

Clown

If you’re going this much out of your way to undermine me, it’s antitown. I know things that you don’t and you have no justification for questioning that.

[Saudade]

Im hardly going out of my way to do anything

[Battle Mage]

Tbh I was expecting more ridicule and frustration from Battle Mage

Haha i did mention to Noraa i expected him to mention how he expects me to be better than this or something along those lines, as he usually might. Not complaining though

~Bat

you didn't do anything though, so why would i say that? *shrug*

you're in a hydra with noraa - she is doing what noraa does, you are doing what you do. it's pretty much what i'd expect from you both.

Well, fair enough. i didn't do much more than say there was merit to part of Mastina's case in the other game and you immediately accused me of being scum or bad. Here I said i think it's possible because i did notice a difference, you have a good scumgame, you're a good pick etc., but i'm not convinced.

but that was late in the day and it took like forever to get through mastina's wall so i suppose it can be a different beast. I'm not really gonna let it affect my read

yeah i thought you totally bad-faithed me in that game, but obviously i was wrong. maybe you're right i was just disappointed. I suppose the equivalent here would be if you told me you thought noraa's argument against me had merit. in which case, yes i guess i'd be disappointed (or surprised ). But I'm pretty ambivalent about your read on me here as in practice, your vote will largely be controlled by noraa based on activity levels/volume of posting.

this game could be pretty easy if my townreads actually worked together, but it hasn't panned out yet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Clown on a power trip

Clown

If you’re going this much out of your way to undermine me, it’s antitown. I know things that you don’t and you have no justification for questioning that.

[Saudade]

Let alone undermine queen nancy

[Battle Mage]

I'm not at all sold on Saudade-scum. but I am very bought in to the idea that people should listen to the townstump.

[Saudade]

I actually agree that we should slowdown the bm wagon and look elsewhere for a bit despite giving noraa my vote today

[Pyro]

Does anyone know how much confidence each individual head of Batsunami could fake on a read like this, or how much emotion they could fake regarding being angry for people not biting?

In theory this feels towny to me and I think they do err towards town but something right now is pinging me about this, I think it is how they’re strong arming everyone and then saying they won’t get flipped? Even if Battle Mage is town. It is a LOT of confidence and I’m unsure if either of these players are ever like this...

Haha I never have confidence on the first 2-3 days, except for on some of my townreads which are always my main goal to get during this time. in that respect, Tsunami and I are polar opposites

I do not believe I've seen this from scum!Noraa, except perhaps in a game I modded where she and a scumpartner theatered confident SRs on each other for a while D1. Even there i dont believe they were calling for quick elims on each other though.

May as well bring the thread in on this, Noraa and I have opposite takes on Pyro at the moment. hopefully she's shared most of hers so i'll just focus on what ive been saying

Pyro halting the momentum on his own wagon (War and Peace) or at least shifting from it in order to investigate Starcrossed for a supposed ellitell appears town to me. It comes across as a thought he genuinely had and feels is important enough to mention and confident enough to push -- whereas I struggle to find a decent incentive for scum Pyro to do this. Especially cause ellitells are kind of unsavoury but definitely could feel accurate to the user. I wondered if this is a purposeful distraction to a scum wagon but that just doesnt make much sense when he's cutting off his own wagon really (this was before BM)

^This is fine, but something I think I can fake as scum without too much worry.

The other thing i noticed was Pyro going for the full solve including one of his own townleans (without even going over the reasoning until a few posts later). i feel it betrays he's thinking pretty deeply about his reads, certainly more than surface-level takes on each individual player. Pyro definitely has does this in the past, even successfully calling out lots of scum this way, so it doesnt surprise me to see it

^This is a really good reason and made me realize I don't really do this as scum. Much appreciated for the intel.

Not convinced yet although Pyro does come off pretty fluid this game, very active, he does not like scum as much as town. i dont have a lot of experience with him as scum although this does match my town expectations

^Oh, and this is generally a towntell for me. The WIM does come to me easier as town, but it's not a surefire tell.

~Bat

[Saudade]

I just have a BIG so ill do as I please in my own attempt to solve this game and have fun

[Nancy Drew 39]

Im hardly going out of my way to do anything

why is nancy is so certain the town wont rebel against her wishes if she'll be a bad queen

oh my god this is like one of the most common scum slips ever

Why are you sr my trs?

Because one of us is a bad player

and odds are its not the brilliant player

These posts specifically. You’re both calling me a “bad player” and trying to get town to mistrust my solve. I am the town stump and I know things you don’t. You ignoring that is concerning.

[Saudade]

I'm not at all sold on Saudade-scum. but I am very bought in to the idea that people should listen to the townstump.

I agree, i just wish we had a...

[Saudade]

Im hardly going out of my way to do anything

why is nancy is so certain the town wont rebel against her wishes if she'll be a bad queen

oh my god this is like one of the most common scum slips ever

Why are you sr my trs?

Because one of us is a bad player

and odds are its not the brilliant player

These posts specifically. You’re both calling me a “bad player” and trying to get town to mistrust my solve. I am the town stump and I know things you don’t. You ignoring that is concerning.

Sorry i dont rate you as a player though

[Battle Mage]

I don't think Saudade-scum does all of the following:

1. Makes a point of emphasising how bad the BM-wagon is, going against the vocal consensus.
2. U-turns immediately and agrees we should definitely elim BM today.
3. Actively tries to piss off the townstump for no reason.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Gamma

DO SOMETHING

[Battle Mage]

i'd like to ask everyone to be nice and respectful, but it'll just get me elimmed.

[Saudade]

I didnt do #1, its not a bad wagon its just that if the day ends too fast itll be terrible

[Nancy Drew 39]

Im hardly going out of my way to do anything

why is nancy is so certain the town wont rebel against her wishes if she'll be a bad queen

oh my god this is like one of the most common scum slips ever

Why are you sr my trs?

Because one of us is a bad player

and odds are its not the brilliant player

These posts specifically. You’re both calling me a “bad player” and trying to get town to mistrust my solve. I am the town stump and I know things you don’t. You ignoring that is concerning.

Sorry i dont rate you as a player though

Are you trolling or insulting me here? I honestly can’t tell.

[Saudade]

And if you flip scum it will be hillarious

[Saudade]

I literally dont rate you, its not an insult you're just an average player get on with the game now and stop feeling so shocked

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think Saudade-scum does all of the following:

1. Makes a point of emphasising how bad the BM-wagon is, going against the vocal consensus.
2. U-turns immediately and agrees we should definitely elim BM today.
3. Actively tries to piss off the townstump for no reason.

Anyone who understands this setup understands that both stumps are informed in both similar and different ways.

[Batsunami]

Pyro halting the momentum on his own wagon (War and Peace) or at least shifting from it in order to investigate Starcrossed for a supposed ellitell appears town to me. It comes across as a thought he genuinely had and feels is important enough to mention and confident enough to push -- whereas I struggle to find a decent incentive for scum Pyro to do this. Especially cause ellitells are kind of unsavoury but definitely could feel accurate to the user. I wondered if this is a purposeful distraction to a scum wagon but that just doesnt make much sense when he's cutting off his own wagon really (this was before BM)

^This is fine, but something I think I can fake as scum without too much worry.

The other thing i noticed was Pyro going for the full solve including one of his own townleans (without even going over the reasoning until a few posts later). i feel it betrays he's thinking pretty deeply about his reads, certainly more than surface-level takes on each individual player. Pyro definitely has does this in the past, even successfully calling out lots of scum this way, so it doesnt surprise me to see it

^This is a really good reason and made me realize I don't really do this as scum. Much appreciated for the intel.

Weee! i hope you're town now

to weigh in on the Saudade thunderdome, i do kinda doubt Titus picks him off the bat. I also notice I have an odd tendency to townread Saudade during the stretches where he's playing rather than memeing, even in other games. Maybe ill develop that into something useful

I'm prolly not townreading him for going against Nancy though, i'd expect that from him either way i doubt he could resist

im getting a bit of a soul townread on Morty with their pop ins but im more than anything putting this as a reminder for me to look at them later

~Bat

go to class

HEY if i want to disregard my impending school deadlines thats what im gonna do

But yea no you're right okay

~Bat

[Saudade]

I never know who im talking to with this hydra

[Battle Mage]

I didnt do #1, its not a bad wagon its just that if the day ends too fast itll be terrible

it may have been accidental, but you did discredit the wagon. i think you're town either way, so won't shed blood over it.

[Sherlock and Watson]

My vote on you is for your unexplained vote on me...which you still haven't explained? Is this discussion meant to distract me from that?

No, Noraa's early game reads tend to be very solid, she's very obviously town and your response to the push has not been all that good. I also feel like I should UNVOTE: VOTE: Battle Mage because accusing me of distracting you from answering your question when I'm literally discussing my read on you is nagl.

-S

[Nancy Drew 39]

I literally dont rate you, its not an insult you're just an average player get on with the game now and stop feeling so shocked

Flattery won’t get you to endgame sport. You currently owe your game life to Noraa.