Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Duchess]

RTP, what do you think of Harumi's readslist? And are you able to share what your towntell was about earlier?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I don't think that it matters how he labels it - he can just as easily say that as scum to be defending a mafia partner (duchess) since he is not really pushing within those rn, as their vote went on elements.

[VP Baltar]

What made you change your mind on Datisi?

Datisi is sort of in my null pile still. I've seen some glimmers of town there, but he hasn't wowed me yet (or called me scum weirdly), so I have minor suspicions there...but it is almost entirely vibe at this time.

I'm not sure what you mean by changed my mind? I don't remember stating mild suspicions on Datisi before? My take today was mostly to let him play and see how things shake out before I judge too much there, unless something seriously scummy happened...which it hasn't.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

RTP, what do you think of Harumi's readslist? And are you able to share what your towntell was about earlier?

i honestly do not feel i will be much trusting harumi for reads rather than just a town mindset - but the tell I had noticed was they were clueless. Like overtly clueless. With newer/not as skilled/assertive players, coming off as brazenly clueless is a towntell.

[VP Baltar]

so it put him as more towny than any other player here?

Yeah, for me personally. It was the first thing that I felt quite townie about.

GC also felt a bit townie, but the aggression on both sides of that dispute makes me suspicious.

Do you think there is someone here who is very clearly obv town?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

so it put him as more towny than any other player here?

Yeah, for me personally. It was the first thing that I felt quite townie about.

GC also felt a bit townie, but the aggression on both sides of that dispute makes me suspicious.

Do you think there is someone here who is very clearly obv town?

me

[Lunar Martian]

What made you change your mind on Datisi?

Datisi is sort of in my null pile still. I've seen some glimmers of town there, but he hasn't wowed me yet (or called me scum weirdly), so I have minor suspicions there...but it is almost entirely vibe at this time.

I'm not sure what you mean by changed my mind? I don't remember stating mild suspicions on Datisi before? My take today was mostly to let him play and see how things shake out before I judge too much there, unless something seriously scummy happened...which it hasn't.

Oh I see, it wasn't you voting Datisi but me. OK. My vote was just RVS, I forgot that it was even there. Nevermind.

[Lunar Martian]

so it put him as more towny than any other player here?

Yeah, for me personally. It was the first thing that I felt quite townie about.

GC also felt a bit townie, but the aggression on both sides of that dispute makes me suspicious.

Do you think there is someone here who is very clearly obv town?

me

Sure, except that you're clearly trying very hard to be obvTown, and it detracts from it.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

i actually havent been trying it just is natural for me

[Lunar Martian]

so it put him as more towny than any other player here?

Yeah, for me personally. It was the first thing that I felt quite townie about.

GC also felt a bit townie, but the aggression on both sides of that dispute makes me suspicious.

Do you think there is someone here who is very clearly obv town?

me

This post implies a desire to be viewed as Town, which makes me want to read you as Town even less.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

i think your thought process there is flawed lol no need to be purposefully contrarian.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

who are ur top scum reads lunar?

i was speccing a game of yours recently where you hammered correctly in lylo - congrats.

i wanna see what you think, lets collab

[Lunar Martian]

Like, lockTown, maybe?: Andres, VP Baltar, Duchess
Town: Harumi, RTP
Weak Town: Datisi, RLotus
Null: Testarossa, Green Crayons, Elements, Dunnstral
On the Scum side of the spectrum: Italiano


Being purposely contrarian can be fun sometimes. I feel like Green Crayons and Elements have enough content that they shouldn't be null so I'm not sure if I should be skeptical of them purely because they're null or if its just a playstyle thing. Dunnstral and Testarossa don't really have any memorable content which is starting to be an issue. I'd probably wagon Italiano at this point.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

what makes u locktown those 3 specifically?

[Lunar Martian]

Curious why my play in particular struck you as filler? It's definitely rubbing two sticks together, but I'm working with what I have here so far.

What do you think of Italiano's vote on me?

It came mostly from gut, probably initiated by the reads page 2 question where I thought Elements' answer might be obvious. The other questions didn't really felt like they would lead anywhere interesting, then again admittedly I was more disinterested. More a vehicle to interact with you pursuing the bad gut feeling.

What do you make out of Italiano's admiration of Elements in context of their history?

The vote looks quite convenient in timing, however I think it's plausible that he voted you regardless of my post and wasn't fully caught up. I consider it as null. If anything I was a bit surprised that he took your words so seriously as it seemed to me the joking was both-sided. The reaction test explanation is meh though.

also i'm getting pinged by the way they shade testa in 90 for looking like she's trying extra hard, when that's the read i get from their posts. seems somewhat... self-aware?

I kind of disliked the fos on Italiano more in that post tbh, while I can comprehend Duchess reacting to my post like they did. I feel the fact that they reflected about me two posts later (before rtp pointed out the same) shows some process of chewing on it which I don't really think scum necessarily bothers to do so here.

Eh these two posts give weak Townie/solvy vibes.

[Lunar Martian]

what makes u locktown those 3 specifically?

Mostly the things they said. It could maybe also be the things they didn't say, although I suppose I wouldn't really know in that case.

[Lunar Martian]

On a re-read Andres doesn't look as good. I guess I'll give that read more time to develop.

[Green Crayons]

RTP, what do you think of Harumi's readslist? And are you able to share what your towntell was about earlier?

i honestly do not feel i will be much trusting harumi for reads rather than just a town mindset - but the tell I had noticed was they were clueless. Like overtly clueless. With newer/not as skilled/assertive players, coming off as brazenly clueless is a towntell.

If RTP is going to reveal his town tell for Harumi, can he also explain his thinking behind revealing the existence of a Top Secret reason to think she was town (which would seem to discourage additional votes on Harumi), but not revealing what that reason was because he wanted to see if the wagon would build:

[Green Crayons]

Elements, RTP, and Lunar are the only players who have given unexplained reads (though yes I see some explanations once pressed). Did I kiss anyone else with this style of play in this game?

[Green Crayons]

Hunh. Miss.

[Lunar Martian]

Elements, RTP, and Lunar are the only players who have given unexplained reads (though yes I see some explanations once pressed). Did I kiss anyone else with this style of play in this game?

What's your point?

[Green Crayons]

Going to go and look and see if that’s how y’all usually play.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Elements, RTP, and Lunar are the only players who have given unexplained reads (though yes I see some explanations once pressed). Did I kiss anyone else with this style of play in this game?

would you rather I say its gut?
because thats all it is mostly if i dont explain it.

[Lunar Martian]

Going to go and look and see if that’s how y’all usually play.

If we don't normally play that way you'd assume we are Mafia?

[Green Crayons]

I don’t really care why you’re doing it. I think it’s a perfectly acceptable style of play and I can usually glean where the reads come from via game context. Just also want to see that everyone that’s pulling this style has done it before, as I’ve never been in a game where it’s been more than one or maybe two players.