Micro 995: Secret Jesters

[The Handler]

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[The Handler]

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[The Handler]

Fuck me, why couldn't I be a pokemon I mean jester

I have a guilty on Hazel

[The Handler]

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VOTE: Cha Cha

Hey this might be scum. Could be town.

VOTE: Hazel

[The Handler]

Raymond's a jester because his push on me is intentionally bad

I'm a vanilla town because I swear it by my honor and moral code. If I'm lying here, I'm simply a bad person

So if you call me anything that isn't VT here, you're accusing me of being a bad person and I might take that quite personally. Or you could just believe that I'm a VT and avoid all the drama

VOTE: AJ

I am nekkkkidd!!!

[The Handler]

Vote Count 1.2

The Swedes (2): Sissy Cooper, Grace Hargreeves,
A J Carmichael (1): Raymond Chestnut,
Sissy Cooper (1): A J Carmichael,
Raymond Chestnut (1): Cha Cha,
Grace Hargreeves (0):
Lila Pitts (0):
Hazel Rofa (0):
Cha Cha (0):
The Handler (0):


Not Voting (4): Lila Pitts, The Handler, Hazel Rofa, The Swedes,

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate!

Deadline? There is no Deadline!

VOTE: A J

Ur voting our IC, you’re bad. Could switch to Grace who scumreading them. Or Handler who’s clearly lurking out the game.

Awww come on now. I was just stuck on Mafiascum’s awesome loading screen for temporal bodies and ponds of water

[The Handler]

why is my vote not being counted?

Because I'm dumb and you should know better than to expect competence from me.

Don’t worry I expect the upmost confidence of your bastard modding. Or don’t whatever I don’t care. Lol

[The Handler]

*moon walks*

Remember who set you up for this Cha Cha!

[The Handler]

[The Handler]

Guess we will see based on the flip since Cha Cha hammered.

Kinda feelin AJ scum Cha Cha Jester vibes

[The Handler]

VOTE: Sissy

Unless I missed something town just loses right?

The three jesters get killed next and mafia reach parity. Town can try to get killed to screw the jesters but it seems like mafia win is assured unless people decide not to kill sissy here.

Actually, I guess I could be killed if people want to keep the game going, that is another option

Ara, ara, what does this mean?

also, fuck, my reads are garbage

VOTE: Lila Pitts

This sort of tryharding with bad reads suggests trying to scumhunt and failing. Probably Mafia. The rest of this page is full of jesters.

VOTE: Raymond

I can see that, but I am scared you’re making sense in a bastard game.

[The Handler]

Raymond and Hazel.

Chainsaw go brrrrrr

VOTE: Raymond

[The Handler]

I’m feeling extremely optimistic about this game.

I am not so optimistic. I townread both you and Grace and as a VT only one of you can be town.

[The Handler]

I’m feeling extremely optimistic about this game.

I am not so optimistic. I townread both you and Grace and as a VT only one of you can be town.

If this is in fact true, I’d say any wagon other than you, Grace, me and Sissy, means scum would lose. So scum either has to elim a jester or bus.

Oooh shiny logic. I like.

Unless the team is you + Grace I am 100% down for this.

We can wait a day or two to see that.

*crawls into Lila and Grace’s pocket*

Oooh it’s comfy!

[The Handler]

I’m feeling extremely optimistic about this game.

I am not so optimistic. I townread both you and Grace and as a VT only one of you can be town.

If this is in fact true, I’d say any wagon other than you, Grace, me and Sissy, means scum would lose. So scum either has to elim a jester or bus.

Oooh shiny logic. I like.

Unless the team is you + Grace I am 100% down for this.

We can wait a day or two to see that.

*crawls into Lila and Grace’s pocket*

Oooh it’s comfy!

The second line feels a bit self-aware, but you are certainly welcome to take up residence in my pocket. I have the heater running.

But like how am I aware of how comfy pockets are?!?

Heater running in winter? Sure thing to keep me pocketed

[The Handler]

It is not a good look to both try hard and then have really bad takes.

This is a disgustingly exaugurated take on Raymonds play, I know you were hoping for an easy scum win but sorry.

VOTE: Grace

Grace isn’t mafia.

Evidence???

I don’t believe either Grace or Handler are mafia. I’m not willing to take the chance that either are town because then we lose and I don’t like to lose.

I also think there’s at least one scum pushing Grace rn, have no idea who but that’s my current theory and if I’m right and she’s town here because she’s either town or jester - we lose.

You realize both of us would have to be scum for that to be a loss?

If we have a scum + IC + VT + VT = final four can repeat.

So since I am pretty sure Lila and Grace both aren’t mafia may the pocketing conmence!

[The Handler]

So since I am pretty sure Lila and Grace both aren’t mafia may the pocketing conmence!

that's exactly the scumteam in my head atm lmao

Then there are two VTs left. I am one. If the other VT ever flips then I immediately hop out because I was pocketed and vote them. I am pretty sure one is VT and the other is Jester. It’s pretty straightforward. Or I just elim whoever wants to die at that point. Becomes anyone besides me and Sissy at that point.

[The Handler]

Oh wait derp.

If I die or the other VT dies we just lose.

VOTE: Unvote

Damn now I gotta try

[The Handler]

I am down for that. Hell if you solve the game I might just elim you today even.

[The Handler]

I am down for that. Hell if you solve the game I might just elim you today even.

That actually accomplishes nothing. We need to kill scum first. And it’s beyond obvious that scum is ganging up on Grace because they don’t need to worry about associatives if both town and jesters are dumb enough to elim her. Town has jesters over a barrel rn, not the other way around because they both lose if we kill town and one of you or Grace is definitely town.

We have a few jester elims.

Elimming a jester isn’t bad.

Will catch up tonight

[The Handler]

Guess we will see based on the flip since Cha Cha hammered.

Kinda feelin AJ scum Cha Cha Jester vibes

This feels not town too

@Handler do you hard claim vt?

I do. I am VT.

[The Handler]

Raymond and Hazel.

Chainsaw go brrrrrr

VOTE: Raymond

This pings too

*smdh*

This is what happens when people don’t know who I am. Yay!

[The Handler]

Anywho I guess I will actually try tonight.

But yeah if I can’t find scum I am 100% down to elim Cha Cha because then what they said is prolly true

[The Handler]

Fuck me, why couldn't I be a pokemon I mean jester

I have a guilty on Hazel

This indeed may be accurate lemme double check something

[The Handler]

Fixed:
Grace, hazel, handler -- claimed town
Cha cha, swedes -- no hardclaim but implied maybe jester
Lila, raymond -- claimed jester

Hmmm not quite a guilty but this does indeed imply one of Graze/Hazel are scum
And one of Cha Cha/Swedes/Lila/Raymond are scum.

Since we have two pools can back track accordingly.

[The Handler]

Vote Count 1.Final

A J Carmichael (5): Raymond Chestnut, Lila Pitts, Sissy Cooper, The Handler, Cha Cha,
The Swedes (1): Grace Hargreeves,
Lila Pitts (1): A J Carmichael,
Sissy Cooper (0):
Raymond Chestnut (0):
Grace Hargreeves (0):
Hazel Rofa (0):
Cha Cha (0):
The Handler (0):


Not Voting (2): Hazel Rofa, The Swedes,

What's this? A HAMMER!

Deadline? There is no Deadline!

I find it highly unlikely that no scum are on a VT wagon.
Sissy not scum
I am not scum
Scum in Raymond, Lila, and Cha Cha.
Cha Cha seems pretty jester so focusing on Raymond and Lila

[The Handler]

Actually that second list is a subset of the first.
Means Cha Cha and Swedes likely jester
Raymond/Lila likely has a scum
And one of Grace/Hazel

Raymond wants to be elimmed.

Holy fuck I might be in bed with two scum.

You ladies/men/enbies wouldn’t be trying to pocket me would you?

VOTE: Cha Cha

Let’s do the Cha Cha and see if I am right.

[The Handler]

If the solution is:

Lila - VT
Grace/Handler - Jester/VT

then both scum are in Raymond - Swedes - Hazel.

I think Swedes makes the most sense to be the Jester in those three.

In fact we should offer Raymond/Swedes/Hazel a chance to claim Jester - it would put the other 2 in a bad spot.

I disagree on the Lila read...spicy!

I normally am bland.

Guess I should quit tryharding since I have more posts than the mod.

[The Handler]

In a world where Raymond isn’t scum, we can all yell at him post game for probably losing it for us.

I'm town

and you haven't given me a single reason why Grace is readable as town in any universe whatsoever

I actually think she’s probably jester since she really doesn’t seem to care about the votes on her but I could still be wrong. Her ISO is clearly never comes from scum.

Don’t know why you all are assuming my gender or that I am not scum here lolz.

(Mods I know that phrase can be transphobic I don’t mean it in the transphobic way just alt hunting and gender assuming is stupid.)

[The Handler]

Don’t get me wrong I am VT but like cmon...assumptions bad yo.

[The Handler]

I think Raymond is uninformed.
Assuming you're entirely wrong about your supposed solve, where's scum hiding?

Why? Maybe Swedes? But I could also see them possibly being a jester. But it’s obvious that you, Handler and Raymond can’t be vts and I find your claim to be the most credible, which is why I unvoted.

So in your opinion, is scum or jester more likely to lie about being vt?

And if your answer is jester, then maybe Cha Cha has just been doing a brilliant job of making everyone think they’re jester, because that is the obvious goal of scum.

UNVOTE:

So maybe Cha Cha or Swedes are fake jesters? I don’t know. I really do think Grace is a really obvious jester. If Cha Cha is actually scum here, they’re playing brilliantly.

Here’s the thing, of the town claims, I believe Raymond’s the least but I really do believe Grace is jester. I will re-evaluate on this.

Hot take: Lila doesn’t want to elim Grace. Jesters don’t give a fuck

[The Handler]

I mean there's two claimed jesters, if you want to win with town now would be the time to tryhard, especially since you were not particularly high in my town list

I try hard in my own way give me time.

And I guess fine guess I was lazy and didn’t change the avvy when I replaced in.

[The Handler]

Sissy Cooper is being replaced.

Oh so you’re not Cooper1 damn. That sucks. Replacements kill vibes.

[The Handler]

Hot take: Lila doesn’t want to elim Grace. Jesters don’t give a fuck

ngl this feels like a scummy take

Glad you agree Lila is being scummy.

Pedit lol that’s fine I am in your PoE. Long as we get the scum you can assume I am third scum if you want. Hell if it makes you feel better make an image and stamp scum on it. I will bus both my non existent buddies

[The Handler]

not trying to demoralize you if you are town btw, I guess I could just give you some more room, but I think it's also good to be clear that you are still very much in the POE for me

Lmao this is a bastard game by definition. Caring about winning or losing but trying new things is.

[The Handler]

Granted I am playing to win but I am enjoying being a screwball.

[The Handler]

***

Hello!

I am your new SISSY COOPER!

All posts on this account will be the new SISSY COOPER!

***

I have one offer to the Jesters in this game:

BE THE JESTER YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD!

That's right, I think we should be seeing this more as a contest. Whichever jester, that truly embraces the jester persona, more than the town pretending to be jesters and the mafia pretending to be jesters, that truly makes the funniest posts, I think that jester should receive our votes today.

If you truly believe in your jesteryness, then I want to see some truly funny posts.

Nice scum claim.

Pretty sure that dude is both a jester and scum.

[The Handler]

Swedes is Mafia chainsawing for Raymond.

Next Saturday should be worth keeping me around for

What is going to happen then?

Yeah, Grace is mindmelding with me too much to be mafia, so that’s why she’s extremely likely to be jester. But you are trying to look more like jester and Raymond is trying to look more town despite acting not town.

Once more in the back — jesters don’t care and don’t “mind meld”

Fuck it

VOTE: Lila

[The Handler]

Okay yeah caught up now
Time to run the bus over Lila and Grace I think.

Choo Choo!

Or willing to do Cha Cha for starting this spiciness.

Lila+Grace or Lila + Hazel is my thinkin

[The Handler]

Handler might actually be outright avoiding limming within the two claimed Jesters in the hopes of hitting town

Gtfo with that garbage. I suggested elimming jesters first.

[The Handler]

I think lim order should be

Lila, Raymond, swedes.

If the game *ISN'T over, then Handler

Chaining elims in a regular game is bad. In a bastard game it’s laughable

[The Handler]

I'm concerned about how easily people are willing to let Jesters win. If we give a free win to a Jester and then mislim a Jester, then suddenly we are down to one Jester. If we hit Mafia today then tomorrow we can safely kill a Jester or two and then hunt in the VT claims. In any case we aren't shooting in the VT claims today, so we should probably focus our efforts on finding the scum among the Jester claims.

Why? If we aren’t elimming town we’re cool. Literally anyone besides Cooper me or the other VT is a-okay. This is just fearmongering

[The Handler]

Lila you do have too many town right? You've said Hazel, Handler, and Grace are all town, which is not possible

Given one of those townreads has to be wrong, and proobably groupscum, I'm inclined to think handler.

I don't townread 236 and I think I bet the game for town here most the time on Handler being the highest consistency redflip.

But, as I said when I entered this game, I'm also not thinking town wins this game. It would in fact be a statistical anomaly for town to win at this point.

I'm at like:
-Hazel had a very suspect townread on Cha Cha, but other than that has been kinda townie (so one ping)
-Grace has a lot of IIOA and also made this post:

Handler is Town and Rofa is Mafia.

Which could very easily be scum indicative

Handler has pinged me at least 3 times but could be town on tone, still thinking very likely redflip tho

Cha Cha is most likely Jester, but honestly the play they did at the beginning of this dayphase I could literally see coming from any alignment at this point (even town lol), and if Cha Cha is town then Handler's scum rating goes up like 90x for that one post in response to it (not saying this is the case, but if Cha Cha is town they should realize Handler is like alllways scum here)

Swedes is.... ehhhh a read I probably end up getting wrong and losing the game on, ngl, the likelihood I ace this game at this point is low. I honestly could see the vote on my slot at start of this dayphase as coming from town but honestly they've made a lot of scummy posts

I'm not finding it particularly easy to find two *hard* town out of the scum/VT pool tbh

I do think Handler acting as though Lila ever flips anything other than jester this game is the scummiest thing I've seen recently though

Don’t worry Cooper. I will grow on ya. I got a rep for obvTowning. I’ll do it. You’ll see.

[The Handler]

I'm concerned about how easily people are willing to let Jesters win. If we give a free win to a Jester and then mislim a Jester, then suddenly we are down to one Jester. If we hit Mafia today then tomorrow we can safely kill a Jester or two and then hunt in the VT claims. In any case we aren't shooting in the VT claims today, so we should probably focus our efforts on finding the scum among the Jester claims.

Right now we have no scum among the jester claims, do we? We have 3 jesters for 3 jester slots, the question being whether Cha Cha doubles down on jester claim at this point

I think Cha Cha asked to be elimmed, that’s pretty much a jester claim so it would be one scum in town claims and one in jester claims

[The Handler]

Swedes is Mafia chainsawing for Raymond.

Next Saturday should be worth keeping me around for

What is going to happen then?

Yeah, Grace is mindmelding with me too much to be mafia, so that’s why she’s extremely likely to be jester. But you are trying to look more like jester and Raymond is trying to look more town despite acting not town.

Once more in the back — jesters don’t care and don’t “mind meld”

Fuck it

VOTE: Lila

Like literally am voting you. Lol.

If you’re jester you’ve been getting what you want,
Therefore you probably aren’t,
But if you are new day and Raymond is prolly scum and I was likely right before.

[The Handler]

I'm concerned about how easily people are willing to let Jesters win. If we give a free win to a Jester and then mislim a Jester, then suddenly we are down to one Jester. If we hit Mafia today then tomorrow we can safely kill a Jester or two and then hunt in the VT claims. In any case we aren't shooting in the VT claims today, so we should probably focus our efforts on finding the scum among the Jester claims.

Right now we have no scum among the jester claims, do we? We have 3 jesters for 3 jester slots, the question being whether Cha Cha doubles down on jester claim at this point

I think Cha Cha asked to be elimmed, that’s pretty much a jester claim so it would be one scum in town claims and one in jester claims

Cha Cha didn’t actually claim jester though, so I find it really suspicious that you’re trying to get him wagoned instead of me.

See the thing is, Cha Cha if I am right about them, plays jester as any alignment and can town it up when he wants but imho in this game it’s very clear he’s not mafia. If someone has a case they are more than welcome to correct me.

[The Handler]

not mafia this game* yay for cutoff thoughts

[The Handler]

Like I vig Grace elim Lila and I think we win.

[The Handler]

Handler + grace is my solve atm

You can vote anywhere but *only* vote who you think is *groupscum* today

The jesters need to help town hit *one groupscum* so we can give a second jester a win tomorrow

That solve is stupid.

Iirc I can get scumreading me but me and Grace both claimed town.

VOTE: Grace

If you really think it’s me and Grace help me bus. I think it’s Grace + Jester claim or Raymond + Hazel.

[The Handler]

Actually no.

Grace has possibility to be town from Lila Jester

VOTE: Raymond

Fite me

[The Handler]

Swedes, chacha, and raymond are all playing jester, I think if Cha Cha hard confirms jester, swedes is the scum in the jester and fading them would give us ease of mind for the remaining jesters tomorrow

Raymond +Hazel final answer

[The Handler]

VOTE: Sissy

Unless I missed something town just loses right?

The three jesters get killed next and mafia reach parity. Town can try to get killed to screw the jesters but it seems like mafia win is assured unless people decide not to kill sissy here.

Town conceding

VOTE: Sissy

Unless I missed something town just loses right?

The three jesters get killed next and mafia reach parity. Town can try to get killed to screw the jesters but it seems like mafia win is assured unless people decide not to kill sissy here.

Actually, I guess I could be killed if people want to keep the game going, that is another option

Town gamethrowing so jesters lose

175 is like, an extremely townie thought process that explains the throw in 184

I could be wrong but I think this is a town indicative thought process

Swedes is jester who probably realizes he has no way to get voted for being too jestery.

[The Handler]

I think you’re right on the “this sucks” but wrong on the alignment

[The Handler]

VOTE: the handler

Please don’t do this.

Lila said I was town and a majority of people realized I am town.
I am intentionally not using my regular meta here to hide who I am.
It didn’t work and scum are pushing me hardcore because they see I am town.

[The Handler]

In a world where Raymond isn’t scum, we can all yell at him post game for probably losing it for us.

I'm town

and you haven't given me a single reason why Grace is readable as town in any universe whatsoever

If you're town then my read on handler is wrong, but I don't think it is. We seem to be on the same wavelength which is weird. It also means you are also likely uninformed so if you're jester just drop the act and help us win and I'll make sure you'll win too

Do an iso search “handler and town”. Then see the sheer amount of posts.


Town claims were me/Grace/Lila iirc. Three VT at start down to two.
It’s me and Grace VT
Raymond and Hazel scum
Cha and Swedes jester

Game is fuckin solved

[The Handler]

Exactly.

Sissy may hate it. They may hate my play but me and Grace are absolutely locked into being the two alive VTs.

The fact Sissy hunts elsewhere is a denial and she can’t see what is going on here.

Not sure how I can convince her when I have literally solved the game and she can test it, but it seems she would rather lose.

[The Handler]

Cha cha you’re going to lose if you hammer me.

Lol at the nothing shows thought processes. I have been transparent every day.

I wish I was scum or jester I was looking forward to trolling more when I replaced in.

Alas it was not the case.

[The Handler]

Yesterday we talked about killing in me and cha cha

Grace stated how you are giving a free win to a jester(lila) and then going to miselim a jester(me or cha cha), they are too informed

VOTE: Raymond

I don't remember saying I wanted to eliminate you, I think I only said Lila/Handler/Chacha

then again, I don't mind you doing this because I'm J E S T E R

you confuse me more and more with each post

so vote yourself

This is also absolutely not jester because if Raymond wins, then he never can.

IT IS PLAIN. IT IS SIMPLE

Lol Swedes can win because Raymond isn’t jester

[The Handler]

Thank you.

I have to do Handler things but I can type stuff up on my computer tonight when not doing Handler things.

^^ this sentence is structured weird to avoid slipping who I am.

[The Handler]

She can't, she's stalling

I feel like all my posts speak for myself. I disagree with your swedes read, and I've already stated that the two quotes you posted was him trying to play jester. I've said all game that swedes is trying to play a jester game but his actions and reactions shows otherwise. His actions is inconsistent with his claims, and now that handler is off the hook she now has to leave?

Oh I am sorry. Does me having a life offend your sensibilities?

I never, ever lie about RL. EVER.

This is not an IRC chat. Stop treating it like one.

You’re drooling so much over winning it’s sickening.

[The Handler]

If I don’t provide a case tonight then Sissy just goes back and votes me and jester Cha Cha hammers.

And for your answer Sissy I don’t get demoralized ever. I may get more tunnelly though.

He or they please as I believe I said earlier. Just hard to see the tiny ass menus on my phone to set pronouns.

[The Handler]

There is absolutely no reason not to wait the 4 ish hours (maybe less).

If you’re really annoyed make a case on me being scum. That case will have to include which jester claim earlier is actually VT. Or if you think Grace is scum as well as me then which two.

The sharks are out for blood so freakin bad they’re pitching logical impossibilities.

[The Handler]

Handler I dunno what to do here tho since you seem to think Grace is town

if you want to sell me on hazel scum then I'll hear you out but I'm not really interested in a swedes push rn

Also not pushing Swedes atm I think they are jester.

Is no one reading what I am saying?

[The Handler]

I mean I do admit that I have much more on swedes than I do you Handler but it was because I did think she was town over grace. I thought about what Lila said about grace and I guess I can see where she is coming from now.

Yes, when the handler said they had to try hard now, it looked town but they aren't actually doing it. They are sticking to IIOA and AtE because they have nothing else to use other than that

They are doing nothing but begging and pleading to survive and they are not actually puting any effort in solving the game themselves. they are not concerned with the wincon for town or the wincon for jester because they are neither

Ffs I get you’re scum but you could at least do better than Handler has a fuckin life.

Just got off doing Handler things and now have an hour where I can do it.

Damn.

[The Handler]

I'm typing up stuff now it's a bit of a long post but odds are yes, Raymond is scum there. I'd swap him out for Swedes if it's wrong. I'm much more sure of Hazel scum, but yet I don't want to elim them and it's only mechanical in nature. If it wasn't for this setup I'd be gunning for Hazel full tilt. I think you'll end up agreeing with the why when I'm done.

[The Handler]

I think we are better off limming in the Town claims today, and then hitting the other Jester tomorrow. The more we go for Jesters the more Mafia is able to manipulate what the voter registry looks like.

Absolutely not. Elimming in VT claims much as I suspect Hazel is a red flip gives a high chance of loss as I suspect both VT true claimed. I know I did and I'm pretty sure you true claimed town. Still typing but elimming in the VT claims is a terrible idea.

[The Handler]

Can you rewrite that please? Not sure what you're correcting.

[The Handler]

Pretty sure people are voting me last I checked, not Hazel? Did I miss something while I was doing Handler things?

[The Handler]

Spoiler: The Raymond case (hazel in a bit)

Modified the post from Sissy to take into account the flip.

Fixed:
Grace, hazel, handler -- claimed town
Cha cha, swedes -- no hardclaim but implied maybe jester
Raymond -- claimed jester

Excluding Sissy we have two VTs left alive, and 2 jesters, and 2 mafia.

If we sort these claims into claimed town and claimed not town, we have 3 town and 3 not town. We know there has to be 4 not town remaining. Therefore, anyone in the NOT town pool is a okay with me. If we hit a jester, then we have to get picky to make sure we get scum as me or the other VT or jester loses us the game.

Let's look at the elimming in the town pool. One of two things happens 1) we elim the jester/mafia who fake claimed VT or 2) we lose. Considering I'm VT, this means elimming in Grace/Hazel is a 50/50 loss shot, much as I scumread Hazel I'd rather elim a mafia in the jester claimants. I know 100% certain that both VTs did not fake claim Jester, being one myself. Whoever is the VT of Grace/Hazel as I don't suspect a VT fake claimant in the jesters would also agree that this is the case. The fake claimant of Grace/Hazel whether jester or mafia, must also agree that at most 1 townie is fake claiming in the jester claims or they rescind their VT claim which would be grounds for turbo elim.

Therefore the odds of hitting town go down drastically elimming in the claimed jesters. Yes, it's possible, but it's not practical.

Therefore of Cha Cha, Swedes, and Raymond has at most 1 town.
Mafia is also a game of control. If scum all fake claimed jester, then town + jesters can elim in the jester claims. Mafia team much as they may pretend to want to be elimmed has to care. Giving entire control to the jesters is not going to happen so one of the two mafia is much more likely to claim VT. Therefore one of Grace/Hazel is likely scum.


Let's compare this to the end of day wagon
A J Carmichael (5): Raymond Chestnut, Lila Pitts, Sissy Cooper, The Handler, Cha Cha,
The Swedes (1): Grace Hargreeves,
Lila Pitts (1): A J Carmichael,
Not Voting (2): Hazel Rofa, The Swedes,

We know Sissy is town, I'm town, Lila was jester. This leaves Raymond and Cha Cha as possible scum.

Let's take a look at Cha Cha's hammer. It was a snipe hammer which is typically a scum claim. Then Cha Cha turns around and begs to be elimmed while helping town. That's pretty much a pro jester move. This means we either elimmed a town all on our own with no mafia help (possible but not probable) or Raymond is scum.

So let's take a look at why Raymond specifically voted AJ.
The vote specifically was a shit post about rights vs lefts.

Most of it is Raymond try harding and specifically in this post Raymond says he is not a jester. You know that old adage when someone tells you who they are the first time, believe them. I believe Raymond is not a jester.

In this post he suggests specifically AJ and Grace Both of whom are players who I townread. In this post Dude claims to be bored talking to AJ despite most of his posting is not in response to AJ.

Then in this post He tries to deflect concerns of him try harding by saying someone has to. No he doesn't. There's a different kind of try harding in his ISO. He's aiming for certain players specifically. He ignores Hazel outright except a townread.

Then in post 226, Raymond is thinking Lila and Grace. He has a weird fixation on the Grace slot. Raymond has an established habit of cross voting whoever susses him. Grace did and I did and he cross votes. With how he ignored Angel and the majority of his ISO is Grace focused this is not the play of someone trying to get miselimmed. A jester wants to interact with as many people as possible to get voted.

Apologies for any typos this is rather SOC.

[The Handler]

ignored Hazel ** sorry

[The Handler]

So now, let's assume Raymond is scum. This would make Swedes and Cha Cha jesters. It matches Cha Cha's play pretty damn well. Swedes on the other hand is very much playing to his wincon of "well if I'm going to lose, I'm going to vote town to try to get elimmed" is actually a pretty good strategy there for a jester if he believes Raymond is a jester. The vote by Swedes is also a pretty good vote if he's mafia as if I'm hammered mafia wins the game. The one way the vote by Swedes doesn't work is town. Therefore the Swedes fake claiming jester as town really holds no weight. This means the only fake claiming jester that could be town is Cha Cha which is ha ha hilarious and just no.

This means there would be a scum in Grace and Hazel. I doubt Raymond spends his time as mafia bussing Grace most of the time, so ergo it's probably Hazel. This also matches Hazel's ISO. Beyond the fact that Raymond dropped a long ignored townread on Hazel. In post 263, Hazel did notice the mechanical paragraph I posted above. He's dead set in the townread of me because he knows I can obvTown and if he didn't he'd be scum claiming. The wording of 481 is weird. He specifically goes out of his way to use uninformed rather than mafia or jester. When wording is forced/weird like this it's almost certainly the opposite.

Then without any reasoning, in 530 he turns his townread to Grace and comes after me. This is directly after locking me as hard town. The closest bit is in 474 where a response about Grace makes less sure on Handler. Let's see what changed between the lock town in 263 and 474 to start this switch. 466 I started mentioning a sus on Hazel. Then read started degrading...That can't be a coincidence.

Jesters want to be elimmed. They'd be happy I'd suspected them if they were jester.

[The Handler]

Ergo, in conclusion, much as out of Grace and Hazel I'm pretty sure Hazel is the scum of the two, the 100% better play is to elim in the Jester pool until we get the flip. Then we can see which of Grace/Hazel (or if you still think I am scum) me that player fits with.

[The Handler]

Now worst case scenario Raymond is Jester. Then we have a 50/50 shot of hitting scum in Swedes/Cha Cha and a (if Sissy's point of view) 33% chance of hitting scum in Grace/Hazel/me. (I know I'm town so it's 50/50 for me. The odds are much more likely that the Raymond read is right with mechanics than my Hazel read even though my Hazel read is probably more right by gut. Ergo I think Raymond should be elimmed.

[The Handler]

Then come vote Raymond with me You know you want to after reading my shiny case right?

[The Handler]

We all seem to be assuming there's 1 scum in the VT claims and one in the Jesters. What if its actually two scum in the Jester claims and a Jester claimed Town?

I think it's not likely, since I don't read either of the Town claims as Jesters.

In that case, then it's even better to yeet in the jester claims as more odds of mafia no?
If you think I'm wrong you should still be voting in the Jester claims imho.

[The Handler]

Now IF you think I'm scum, then odds are at least one of the VT claims are true and what I'm saying is correct.
IF you think I'm jester, then you don't want to elim me and likely more mafia in the jester claims and what I am saying is correct.
If you think I'm VT, then what I'm saying is correct.

No matter how you read me, I'm telling the truth here.

If you're jester and in the jester claims you want me to be telling the truth.
If you're town and in the town claims, you want me to be telling the truth.
If you're jester in the town claims you want me to be telling the truth as more room for elims.
If you're town in the jester claims << This sucks but is unlikely.
If you're mafia in the town claims you like it as less odds to hit your buddy.
If you're mafia in the jester claims << Sucks to be you but not my problem.

LOL Pretty much you only hate my plan if you're mafia.

[The Handler]

Cool

If you got questions I will pop on as I can but I am handling my eyeballs stuck to my favorite Twitch stream.

[The Handler]

We all seem to be assuming there's 1 scum in the VT claims and one in the Jesters. What if its actually two scum in the Jester claims and a Jester claimed Town?

I think it's not likely, since I don't read either of the Town claims as Jesters.

Before I forget >> Grace is likely scum if Hazel isn’t. If Grace was town Grace would say “either of the OTHER town claims”. This post implies two town claims when there would be three. It’s not enough to make me question Hazel over Grace but it’s weird.

[The Handler]

wtf happened

you animals

Things and stuff.

[The Handler]

Yeah I'm just kinda confused by the hammer

I really think Raymond flips scum here.

1) Raymond post post hammer doesn’t seem jestery. If Raymond was jester then his hope was Cha Cha never wins. Saying another player won’t win and then cheering you on is meant to play with your emotions.

2) As soon as Raymond was L-1 Hazel hammers. This is not a protown move. If Hazel actually disagreed he would have pushed for Swedes here. The plan was and still is to vote in the jesters. One of Swedes/Cha Cha is scum if we vote in the jesters. Hazel+Swedes is possible, (Grace Swedes is more likely imho but Hazel Swedes gets more probability if Raymond is jester).

I don’t think I am wrong but if I am but we have a 1v1 and a 1v1v1 tomorrow if I am. This narrowed focus is protown.

Realistically Hazel hammering so Raymond isn’t outed as not wanting to hammer himself is damning.

[The Handler]

The quick hammer denies reaction testing Grace’s and Cha Cha’s and Swedes and my reaction to L-1. That hammer is quite possibly the scummiest thing Hazel has done.

[The Handler]

Hazel+Swedes is possible, (Grace Swedes is more likely imho but Hazel Swedes gets more probability if Raymond is jester).

I keep reading this trying to make sense of it.


Hazel/swedes is possible but grace/swedes is more likely but nah it's swedes/Hazel.
Handler has no where to gooooo

Stream of consciousness. Sounds like you’ve never done it. That’s like 90% of my posting since I gotta use my phone.

[The Handler]

what's funny is both players self hammer, because if we change off swedes and go to cha cha scum lose

So either swedes is jester and self hammers or swedes is scum and self hammers lmaoooooo

I kinda even think it's grace/cha cha but who cares when hazel is obvious town and is totally committed to swedes scum

Either swedes self hammers as scum and has to believe we guess wrong on last scum or we give it to jesters for a jester sweep

VOTE: Swedes

Now this is true.

[The Handler]

I didn't actually lynch the last Jester did I?

If you’re town that means we’re batting a thousand/s

You suspected a jester I suspected a jester and Cha Cha played scum so well they were thought obvJester

I kinda think the game goes on and Swedes is trolling and we just elim Grace but maybe not.

[The Handler]

on the plus side, we flipped nothing but non-town as soon as I entered the game

on the town side, that loses the game in this setup!

Had a multiball game where that happened to me too

[The Handler]

I don't really think Cha Cha was that jestery tbh, he wanted to flip someone else that would end the game for scum win and then refused to vote a jester because that would mean he would mean he'd be in a very awkward 1v1

anyway gg, we gave it to the jesters because.... reasons? idk, voting raymond when I say he's jester and we're not doing him is like, not really productively working with your clear

grace and cha cha probably tilted af from this

I mean I was working with you I just disagreed on the read. If Swedes is jester and If we did Swedes yesterday and Raymond today same result. It was the mechanically smart play but may not necessarily have been right.

[The Handler]

VOTE: Sissy

Unless I missed something town just loses right?

The three jesters get killed next and mafia reach parity. Town can try to get killed to screw the jesters but it seems like mafia win is assured unless people decide not to kill sissy here.

btw I genuinely thought town lost and I was willing to side with the mafia lol

I knew I read that right

[The Handler]

on the plus side, we flipped nothing but non-town as soon as I entered the game

on the town side, that loses the game in this setup!

Had a multiball game where that happened to me too

Shall we all out if/when jingle confirms game over?

I know I don't mind

I don’t mind either but I mean I was intentionally not doing self meta towards the beginning of the day and just trying to be weird. If you knew who I am you don’t ever suspect me as scum lmao. I wanted to try to learn how to troll and replaced into a town slot.

[The Handler]

I can't read alts for shit

Me neither so I don’t try. But yeah. <3 as soon as it is outed who I am you’ll be like duh

[The Handler]

Mama...I am disappointed

Papa bear

[The Handler]

Blanked.