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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:54 pm

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im not trying to be snippy, sorry if it came off that way.

i don't really have a comment on the 2nd post you're talking about yet, I was just looking at the first post. And LLD im not sure im really understanding your point. I'm referring to this line here:
In post 15, hercule wrote:now, that being said, I am typing this up pre-flip. If you are seeing this, I am probably town. I don't think I would post this if I flip mafia, the WIFOM wouldn't be worth revealing my entire playbook.
let's assume the whole post is prewritten (big assumption but let's go with it).

he actually thinks he doesn't post this if he flips mafia at the time, we agree on that right?

We agree that he posts it almost 100% of the time if he flips town.

Now you're saying that:
If he is scum and chose to post it anyway, it would be for that reason [it wouldn't have any tone leakage] and as a good entry cover to not get early wagoned.
Key word is "If" he chooses to post. I account for this possibility in my post: I said that it was POSSIBLE that he rolled scum and decided to post it anyway. Admittedly when I said "for the lolz" maybe that's downplaying it but I see your point, maybe he just thought it was something he could wifom back to and say "lol i wouldn't post this as scum". But these are all thoughts he would've have to have had after the fact. And in order for the first post to be NAI under our assumption of it being prewritten, we need to think he is close to 100% likely to post it when he does flip scum. I think there's a reasonable chance that if he flips scum he actually scraps the post or at least changes some things. If that's where we disagree on, then fine, I'm just explaining my thought process a little bit more
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:56 pm

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In post 349, Ythan wrote:A few more strategically timed game throws and we can keep this going to 2022
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bro what is this post
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:59 pm

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In post 343, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:IV's response to my Mastina related post
I can understand you not liking my take on hercule's 1st post. Can you address this part though when you get a chance, and why you think it makes me +scum in a vacuum?
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:17 pm

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the more i read the more im thinking im the idiot here for not grasping what you are saying and that we might be talking past each other on hercule's 1st post

I've read hercule's 2nd post and I don't get the "fucking awful" vibes that you are getting from it. He probably didn't prewrite the 2nd post so that's why it seems improvisational and I think it's fine if it references his voice reaction from 12h ago or whatever?

idk, im pretty mixed on hercule especially now that everyone is shading them but it's not like, unexpected shade to me given his posting style i guess
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:20 pm

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In post 353, innocentvillager wrote:I've read hercule's 2nd post and I don't get the "fucking awful" vibes that you are getting from it. He probably didn't prewrite the 2nd post so that's why it seems improvisational and I think it's fine if it references his voice reaction from 12h ago or whatever?
to be clear this was an invitation to elaborate more on why it's an awful post so i can maybe see more of what you're seeing btw, not me telling you that you're wrong. (I feel like i shouldn't have to say things like this but more and more people are misinterpreting my engagement was hostile closedmindedness which is NOT at all the vibe I'm trying to give off. maybe im doing something wrong lol)
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:22 pm

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In post 281, OkaPoka wrote:and wait ceph was scum in both those games maybe ugh brb
oka did you have a followup here? i kind of assumed you were going to look at some ceph meta for more info but you never came back with it
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:24 pm

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In post 355, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 281, OkaPoka wrote:and wait ceph was scum in both those games maybe ugh brb
oka did you have a followup here? i kind of assumed you were going to look at some ceph meta for more info but you never came back with it
on ceph? no it just meant that you could ignore my anecdote since i was wrong and i had to go

but i can see how my phrasing was poor
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:26 pm

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oka can you tell me why you are voting hercule?
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:27 pm

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In post 357, innocentvillager wrote:oka can you tell me why you are voting hercule?
her cule is a solid wagon and i do want him to talk about his first posts
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:28 pm

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ok maybe ill ask the more pointed thing im thinking about then: does LLD's gripe with hercule's second post resonate with you and why if so?
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:31 pm

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In post 359, innocentvillager wrote:ok maybe ill ask the more pointed thing im thinking about then: does LLD's gripe with hercule's second post resonate with you and why if so?
forehead take is i agree his posting is a little out there esp his intro posts in hindsight

but lld is tunneling a little deep

i think i want hercule's response more than anything
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:32 pm

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well i guess maybe the best way to describe my thoughts on hercule:

his first posts feel a lil performative
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:33 pm

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VOTE: hercule fair

see, i kind of don't think hercule does like the exact same shit he did in the first game (immediate lamisty self-arguments and suggestions for why he should be conftown) but with a slightly different tone unless he's thinking on like level 3? but maybe he just is like, thinking on level 3 here

fwiw i think lld and mastina are my top townleans
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:34 pm

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the thing is the real scumtells i have been given on hercule come after we see more and we can't see more unless we do stuff so yeah
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:47 pm

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im starting to think the whole "i wouldn't post this as scum" thing is most likely either a) B.S. he came up with post-PM or b) something hercule actually thought on first-draft, and if he rolled scum he re-evaluated it from a scum perspective and still decided to post it

so I don't think it's that likely scum!him scrapped his whole post anymore

the idea is that with a playstyle that open, eventually town is probably going to ask you for your scum!approach last game anyway and it looks better if you pre-emptively post it yourself

but yeah maybe we can wait for hercule for more color. i enjoyed being the annoying hyperposting kitty for one day but it's time to sleep and lurk out the rest of the game
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:48 pm

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years of ms.net have told me iv will not lurk but only accelerate until he combusts
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:50 pm

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i genuinely don't know how to feel about that prediction
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:53 pm

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start with annoyance

and then anger

then depression

finally acceptance
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:57 pm

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innocent villager

town...?
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:59 pm

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In post 368, Dannflor wrote:innocent villager

town...?
coming over to #teamvibers?
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:03 pm

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I'm starting to vibe
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:03 pm

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and darth dannflor has return to the vibeside
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:05 pm

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they be malding while we be vibing

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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:08 pm

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In post 328, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 326, OkaPoka wrote:her n you have some history?
There is one rule with Mastina's reads.

Take her read list, and start killing from towniest to scumiest in order.

You will win the game before you lose it, almost always. Without fail.
That's pretty unfair, maybe even scummy.

Mastina's read on me was wrong, she misinterpreted Scum vs. Scum for Town vs. Town with ABR vs. Xtoxm, but getting right 2 of the 4 scum, while probably beginner's luck :lol: , is pretty good given how few people suspected Cephrir and hercule.
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:11 pm

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don't think engaging on this is very healthy

im going to have flashbacks

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