Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[Jingle]

Yeah... 2197 wasn't solely aimed at Cakez, Pooky. Let Kanna talk for herself for a bit.

[SirCakez]

No one else can edit

[Jingle]

How come everyone else get to edit but I can't?

Inside a game topic only Listmods and players marked as moderators for that game topic can edit.

In GD, everyone should be able to edit their own posts I think.

In PT's, the PT owner can give editing powers.

Anything that says PEdit stands for preview edit.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well for what it's worth, I would like to give Pooky the benefit of the doubt on his soulread. Pooky, you said you've never been wrong on a soulread-- how many times have you been

right

? How many times have you faked a soulread as scum?

I don't really count how many times I've been right like I don't have a scoreboard or anything. It's more like I can't remember being wrong.

I've faked soul reads on Hectic before to pocket him.

[MURDERSUNNY]

I am sheeping SPF somewhat on Gypyx but but I also feel he has been rather defensive this game and seems to be playing pretty survivalistically as opposed to putting himself out there on reads.

Are you sheeping SPF or is Gypyx your strongest SR, as you said earlier?

Why can't it be both?
Like if you made a diagram of my Gypyx scumread sheeping SPF would be 33% but then the other 66% would be the original reasoning on my own that I've pointed out.
I find SPF to be quite town so her approval of Gypyx scum makes me feel more confident.

Ok so let's talk about this now.

I am caught up.

VOTE: Gypyx

This is my strongest scumread for reasons you can see scattered through my catchup. I also strongly SR Something_Smart, Jingle and Maria.
I am a little less sure about Pooky so I will call him nullscum.

As of 1900 Gypyx is your strongest SR.

Maria/Jingle/SB/Pooky?
I'm wilding out here.
How do Gypyx and SS fit into this puzzle?

As of 2172 that no longer seems to be the case as he isn't in your solve.

These posts are, I think, your only interaction with Gypyx in that time:

I have not been trying here tbh so I will try to step up
I will note Gypyx's shift onto me looks awful considering I've been on him most of the game

i was on you since quite some time though, why didn't you point this out before?

now that TENET is over I can say I think Gypyx is playing to his scum meta from that game
<3 thanks for playing Gyp

y'know, the reason i was playing like that is cuz that's my actual town meta

You can't just say "my scum game was my town meta" tho
That's not how meta works

thing is, i was really playing as hard as I could to my town playstyle, did you even compared my 2 most recent games?

Here are all of Gypyx's posts in that time:

Spoiler: Gypyx post 1900

uh fine, really quick though as i really have to sleep

town : cheet / SPF / MWB / gamma?

scum : MariaR / Cakez / Pooky??? (need to read)

Noraa : Noraa

also have a read on murder that i'm not willing to disclose until future events

pedit : ty noraa, very cool

kk thanks, i'd like to hear u expand on some of these reads when u have the time

say right now who you want me to develop for when i got time

I have not been trying here tbh so I will try to step up
I will note Gypyx's shift onto me looks awful considering I've been on him most of the game

i was on you since quite some time though, why didn't you point this out before?

now that TENET is over I can say I think Gypyx is playing to his scum meta from that game
<3 thanks for playing Gyp

y'know, the reason i was playing like that is cuz that's my actual town meta

You can't just say "my scum game was my town meta" tho
That's not how meta works

thing is, i was really playing as hard as I could to my town playstyle, did you even compared my 2 most recent games?

For the record I think every time Cakez has been this annoying he's been town. I haven't played with scum-him in a hot minute, but like, I'm not sure if he would be able to replicate his irritating tunnels on me that accurately.

doubt it, like, tunnels are more of a personality clash, so unless cakez changes personailty with alignement, he'd still tunnel u

He's approached me in such bad faith this whole time. It's like ew.

Noraa, at some point you gotta explain how you differentiate like, peeps who push you cuz they are bad and peeps who push you cuz they are scum

anyways that was all for my semi-catchup, gtg

tunnels are more of a personality clash

Not usually. In this case, maybe, but that doesn't mean that he'd see me the same way if he were informed about my alignment.

how confident are you on that?

uh fine, really quick though as i really have to sleep

town : cheet / SPF / MWB / gamma?

scum : MariaR / Cakez / Pooky??? (need to read)

Noraa : Noraa

also have a read on murder that i'm not willing to disclose until future events

pedit : ty noraa, very cool

kk thanks, i'd like to hear u expand on some of these reads when u have the time

say right now who you want me to develop for when i got time

Wallcase Maria. Do it for the memes.

alright, maria wallcase when i can

bottom text

75% maybe?

i see, i'll think about that then

ok uh imma be real i don't recall why gamma is there

i'll try to trace back my thoughtprocess but no guarantees

Eh i can kind of see 2001 as towny in a "idc if this looks bad" kind of way but in Silent Star Royalty (scum game) Gypyx didnt really pretend to have reads either

And how was that post you pointed out me not having reads though

what?

pedit: gypyx

I don't see how the quote you made is linked to your argument

what?

pedit: gypyx

I don't see how the quote you made is linked to your argument

Oh my bad, i can link it better

ok uh imma be real i don't recall why gamma is there

i'll try to trace back my thoughtprocess but no guarantees

^this is towny I think.

at the very least it's a whole-ass mood.

I highly disagree and I think this is kind of an odd assessment of that post. If anything it's pretty scummy because not being able to trace reads makes it sound like Gypyx was faking them.

my point being that i recall you falling back on not having anything in silent star royalty and particularly in the scum chat you didnt really have a direction you were trying to take most of the time -- i think you were kind of absent and fell behind in that game, so maybe not such a great correlation though

I want to way you were leagues more proactive in The Trials though, to the point where i believe i townread you

ok now it's me not understeanding what you're saying lol, basically you're saying my strat was to say i don't have anything buuuuut at the same time you're tr'ing me cuz i was active in the trials????????????

although, silent star shouldn't be taken as a great example of scum!me, just show how i can sometimes collapse when under pressure, but doesn't say much more, as you said i fell behind

I townread you in the trials where you were actually pretty stand out compared to the rest of the game. Like i dont think i wavered on that at all and that was in a game with >50% of the playerlist being LHF/not playing

i do not townread you in this game and you're more similar to Royalty although i understand that royalty might not be how you always are as scum. However cakes watching you in Tenet and observing that you are playing similarly gives me the impression that perhaps you are just much more active as town

i think the confusion is that im saying i townread your performance *in that game*, im not townreading you here *because of that game*

ah okay, well in the trial i was trying to be a little more gut based, and had quite a lot of free time, so that prob explains?

kinda like how i'm apparently both following my play of being inactive like in ss3 and my SoC floodposting style from TENET lol

and alright i see, well that's fair, i'll obvtown eventually when i'll have time

NORAA WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

Noraa please change your avatar lol.

Ah yes beautiful. Being an imposter gypyx is fun

i'm getting impersonated help

I want Gypyx to wallcase Maria, since he scumreads her.

i'll make sure to do that when i got time to actually make a structured post btw

if I had time I would photoshop the hands to be on the face instead of pointing but I really need to do work today lol

Wait, that's a hand on Gypyx's face? I just thought it was a weird shaped beard.

dude that's the thinking emote

dude that's the thinking emote

You're saying that thinking emotes can't have weird shaped beards too? I reject your narrative as judgmental and narrowminded.

maybe i'm covering a sick goatee under my hand yeah, no one truly know what's underneath

Gypyx, I wanna know what's underneath your hand, but if you can't tell me, I can settle on your read on SB

There's a bottom text underneath

Who's SB?

Spring Breeze

Don't have a read on them rn, i have a vague memory of a scumlean on them, but not rlly up to date, i'll take a peek at the Iso if you want

So can you explain your read progression there?

[MURDERSUNNY]

Murder I really feel like you are overestimating how much thought goes into my play. I don't tend to deeply analyze things and have deep content behind my reads. I kind of just go with what I see and feel.

I am trying to understand what you are seeing and feeling

[SirCakez]

He is still in my solve in 2172 thus why I asked how he fits in.
That team was just a random idea I had.

[MURDERSUNNY]

Would you say he is still your top SR then?

[SirCakez]

Like my point with that four person team was to say these people can't all be scum together so how do my SRs work

[SirCakez]

Would you say he is still your top SR then?

Waffling between him and Jingle

[MURDERSUNNY]

Ok no further questions for now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yeah... 2197 wasn't solely aimed at Cakez, Pooky. Let Kanna talk for herself for a bit.

I was literally leaving it alone until Pink Ball asked me directly about what I thought.

[SirCakez]

Like my point with that four person team was to say these people can't all be scum together so how do my SRs work

Maria-Jingle fit as scum together
Pooky-SB fit as scum together

But those two pairs don't make sense as scum together overall

[MariaR]

Feeling sick will try and get to this tomorrow

[Pink Ball]

Yeah actually. Have the two of Pooky/Kanna played a game where they were different alignments? What happened?

in SS2: Menagarie, I was scum and Kanna voted me out on D1 because Isis wrote some things that were so beautiful that it made me cry and Kanna has it in her signature now.

So that's the only time you have been different sides? Never a town!Pooky vs scum!Kanna?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Feeling sick will try and get to this tomorrow

hope you feel better soon Maria!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So that's the only time you have been different sides? Never a town!Pooky vs scum!Kanna?

I've never played vs scum!Kanna

[MURDERSUNNY]

{noraa, Pink Ball, PookyTheMagicalBear}
{Gypyx, Zaiden, Jingle, Something_Smart, midwaybear, staypositivefriend}
{Morning Tweet, PrivateI, Jake, Gamma, Cheetory6}
{Spring Breeze, MariaR, SirCakez}

This is probably where I am at right now

[SirCakez]

So that's the only time you have been different sides? Never a town!Pooky vs scum!Kanna?

I've never played vs scum!Kanna

It seems like you are setting yourself up to be fooled eventually.

[Pink Ball]

Yeah... 2197 wasn't solely aimed at Cakez, Pooky. Let Kanna talk for herself for a bit.

I was literally leaving it alone until Pink Ball asked me directly about what I thought.

My bad! But I would expect at least some kind of reaction from everyone out of that huge ass post; that's why I asked you and Gypyx about it.

Also I don't think that waiting for SB is entirely needed, since the scumteam and her teammates will help her defend herself, so if anyone who's town want to say something they will probably not give them more of what they can get by themselves.

[MURDERSUNNY]

Also I don't think that waiting for SB is entirely needed, since the scumteam and her teammates will help her defend herself, so if anyone who's town want to say something they will probably not give them more of what they can get by themselves.

I agree, FWIW

[Pink Ball]

I'll go even further and say that, after SB's scumflip, you should townlock anyone who defended her before this exact post 'cause her partners would let her reply and defend herself instead of jump in and give their opinion when they could lend her a hand with how to defend herself.

So yes, you should townread Pooky if SB flips scum.

[Jingle]

:thorface:

I don't really see a need for help sorting Pooky atm. I DO see a reason to need content from SB. I'm far more interested, therefore, in what SB has to say about your case than what Pooky has to say about your case.

It's kinda like how I don't frankly give a shit if Murder thinks your case is founded atm, because I'm not looking to solve Murder right now. His weigh in is objectively less useful.

[Noraa]

oh Oh OH
I feel like I've been enlightened.

I think this is scum murder and I'd like to hear a couple other people comment on this before I provide my reasons.

[Something_Smart]

I don't really count how many times I've been right like I don't have a scoreboard or anything. It's more like I can't remember being wrong.

It's not for a scoreboard, I just wanted to know the sample size. If you've made two hundred soulreads and they've all been right, well I sure as hell am going to trust this one; on the other hand, if you've only made four, then I might be a bit skeptical.