Mafia 79 - "The Amish Mafia" GAME OVER... WHO WON?

[kuribo]

I live!

Time to get to readin'.

[kuribo]

I'm about halfway through.

[kuribo]

Personally, reading D1, my biggest suspect was VV. I was amazed that he wasn't lynched, but I suppose the ZS wagon had already picked up a full head of steam.

Bonus points to Marmalade--- He looked pretty fairly scummy to me D1, too. I have a specific post in mind, but now I've forgotten which. DizzyIzzy replaces in and keeps pushing the (long stalled) babygirl wagon.

Babygirl's hammering of ZS was stupid, but I don't think it was a scumtell--- He said he wouldn't claim, he had been acting irrational and scummy, and personally if I had been in the game, I'd have lynched him too. The only defense he had would have been "If he was scum, why is he acting so scummy?" And I *hate* Too Townie / Too Scummy. Not to mention the fact that Mellow obviously thought he had hammered. Which brings us to...

I don't necessarily believe the vig claim, but there's no reason to act on it today. I think the double NK is at least more indicative of a serial killer--- Neither of the NKs were strong scum suspects Day 1, but this has already been pointed out. The fact that he changed his claim when he thought he was dead is significant--- if he thought he was dead, he had no reason to try and keep up any pretenses of still being pro-town.

I don't like Alabasta's (clearly flawed for many well-noted reasons) plan to nolynch. At this point in the game, Nolynch is not the right call. Hell, lynching anyone would give us more information than a no-lynch. Nolynch would only serve to give the scum another kill. (Two if we have an SK instead of a vig, or MM really is a vig who just can't stop freaking killing townies) Some of Alabaska's stuff has come across as pointlessly angry and overdefensive.

Anyway, my gut tells me that the scum are DizzyIzzy, and Alabaska, at the very least.

Unvote, if necessary. Vote: DizzyIzzy, FOS: Alabaska

Is there a vote count?

[kuribo]

Wait, yeah, I see we got one right before I replaced.

It sucks that babygirl asked to replace out. I wanted to ask her if her vote was blatant OMGUS. Her replacement will never be able to answer that.

Then again, it's somewhat consistent with her freaking out when put under pressure.

[kuribo]

The thing is, BG didn't freak out under pressure in another game I was in with her. She calmly claimed cop, in a cheerful way...

I am willing to lynch Alabaska, or BG.

As if this post matters whatsoever…

Why not? Every post matters in one way or another.

[kuribo]

It's more her predecessor's actions than her own that causes me to look in Dizzy's direction. I'll elaborate when I have more time.

[kuribo]

I was going to post my case against DizzyIzzy, but it's mostly a case against Valiant Valiant. DI can't answer those questions on his behalf anyway.

Post #470, of which there has already been much ado, looks like a bit of a reach to me. It seems like a passing comment that Dizzy wants to paint as scummy in order to keep herself off the block today--- "Die quietly" is not necessarily an instruction, more like a turn of phrase. (One which I've encountered at least once myself in the last month or so)

[kuribo]

Really not liking the opportunism behind Ala's last post.

Unvote, Vote: Alabaska J

with a warning to DizzyIzzy that I'll be watching you very closely.

raises the People's Eyebrow at DI

[kuribo]

I think I know why there was only one kill, but I want to see what MM says first.

This reeks of scum trying to sow some sort of seed of disruption for the future.

Vote: q21

[kuribo]

I always thought the thing about dead people not talking was an assumed site-wide rule unless otherwise stated. TMYK, i guess.

[kuribo]

The more you know, i assume.

Correct.

NYKAKIHTB!

(Now You Know, and Knowing Is Half The Battle! (G.I. Joe! A real American Hero))

[kuribo]

Yeah, I agree I should be dead already, just luckily the scum's kill apparently failed last night, or they thought if I didn't die by today then it would be easy to get me lynched.

Anyways, it's my time as the Vig to say BYE, because I've done more harm than good to the town. Actually 100% Harm, killing two Townspeople.

Therefore:

Unvote, Vote Mellowed Man

I deserve to die.

That right there is by far the most harmful thing you've done yet, if you're town.

[kuribo]

MM, I just don't see what you were trying to accomplish.

[kuribo]

MM, I believed you clear up until your outburst.

The last time I saw someone get all pissed off and quit the game, demanding a replacement in the process--- they were scum who had been backed into a corner.

[kuribo]

RBT's defence is weak. Coug's case is pretty good and I agree with mr. incrediball's assessment. I think a

vote: RBT

is in order.

Explain how so? (PS, I still think you're scum)

[kuribo]

Izzy. That was the whole point of me quoting Izzy.

[kuribo]

As to kuribo, I was referencing the idea as to who you thought was scum, but I'll assume you meant Izzy in that too.

Yep.

[kuribo]

Alright, I'm probably going to be yelled at for making a random vote at Day 4, but this thread needs discussion fast, and controversial ways of doing so are not really a concern to me if the game is this dead. I do intend to take this vote off if I am led to believe that this person is town.

Vote: killa seven

Say something.

Wait, you could have "random" voted anyone, any of the lurkers, any of the "I'm only here cause I got prodded" crowd--- and you voted for the guy who posted 5 posts before you?

[kuribo]

As I said, I intended to stir up discussion and I predicted that the way I did so would result in someone yelling at me.

OK, so we have our debate: I voted for somebody five posts before me with the intent of sparking discussion. Explain how that is scummy, uncalled for, etc., and I'll defend. As I said, once I have reason to believe killa seven is town, I'm unvoting him.

The vote itself isn't scummy, it's your reason. You said you could have random voted anyone. So instead of voting against someone who's been lurking, and trying to goad them into discussion, you vote against a guy who posted the page before you? That's scummy, IME.

[kuribo]

Vote:DizzyIzzy

Have at you, scum!

[kuribo]

I was going to post my case against DizzyIzzy, but it's mostly a case against Valiant Valiant. DI can't answer those questions on his behalf anyway.

Post #470, of which there has already been much ado, looks like a bit of a reach to me. It seems like a passing comment that Dizzy wants to paint as scummy in order to keep herself off the block today--- "Die quietly" is not necessarily an instruction, more like a turn of phrase. (One which I've encountered at least once myself in the last month or so)

[kuribo]

#470 had far less to do with the actual "Die quietly" remark than the fact that BM's ridiculous response to a flippant (and strategically correct, btw) comment I made about his "Die queitly" comment, that made me wonder why he over-reacted and lead to a possible conclusion, that I've never moved beyond a suspicion that it could be interpreted as coaching. if 470 is all you have, then you have nothing and a laughably weak case against me.

I didn't say I had a strong case against you, I said the guy you replaced was scummy. I won't discount that just because you replaced into the game.

[kuribo]

and lots of them

[kuribo]

Hi, sorry for my lack of presence.

I have two of the replacements, in the form of recycled protown non-informational roles, though I still need two more. If we can't find them quickly, would anyone be opposed to modkilling those two so the game doesn't wait for them any further?

Nevertheless,

nswhorse is replaced by Korts, and Celebloki is replaced by q21. Korts may not talk about his previous role's choices.

Considering most of the original players have been replaced / are being replaced, I would support the decision to mod kill. The replacing makes it hard to follow the game.

[kuribo]

second.. i vote no on killing 2 townies

how do you know they're townies?

[kuribo]

read my post above yours

damn simulposting

[kuribo]

Jesus q21 how many games are we in together?

I'm only in three games.

[kuribo]

Jesus q21 how many games are we in together?

I'm only in three games.

Three...

I'm only in four total...

which one, does it need a replacement? haha

[kuribo]

can we just get on with lynching dizzy?

[kuribo]

Oh, I understand the motives, it's just a shame you couldn't pick scum instead of me. Just make sure you pay attention to the people I mentioned in my last post when I come up town, since I'm feeling helpful.

Appeal to emotion, much?

[kuribo]

Good plan, if you like retarded lynches.

Vote kuribo

Nothing else going on in this game anyway.

[kuribo]

Since Surye posted saying he was back, wouldn't you also like to hear from him?

Hell, day 5 is what, not even a week old yet?

Mr. Incrediball seems to still be alive and hasn't posted Day 5 either. No mention, let alone a vote. Are you guys scumbuddies?

[kuribo]

Unvote

This game has become an endless desert of misery.


Although, while on the way to Subway, it occurred to me:

I don't think the scum are any of the lurkers: I think right now, with the game as close to finish as it is, it's entirely likely that the scum wouldn't want to just sit back and watch---- they'd want to direct the remainder of the conversation so as to ensure a favorable outcome.

The town, meanwhile, has grown complacent and lazy, and even thinking of doing a re-read brings me to tears.

[kuribo]

Kuribo, Surye had at least posted Day 5, even if only to say that he's back.

But that's even worse, it indicates that he was at least at one time paying attention on Day 5, and then never came back.

I, on the other hand, just never paid attention to start.

[kuribo]

Unfortunately, this lurkish style is present in

everybody's play this game

.

Edited to encourage more posting, as I think we all seem to be really neglecting this game.

Vote: Riceballtaill

for encouraging posting.

[kuribo]

Vote: Riceballtaill

for encouraging posting.

That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Especially in the context of a game with a ridiculously low posting rate.

Yes, let's take my post absolutely seriously.

Unvote, vote SensFan for not using his brain.

[kuribo]

Keep it up, opportunists, it's all part of my brilliant plan.

[kuribo]

Oh no you don't, you'll not trap me with logic!

Why did you feel the need to jump in with a vote when I clearly wasn't being serious, and even less serious with the vote against SensFan?

[kuribo]

Also, painting my reply as overreaction? A SERIOUS overreaction no less? You've played with me, Korts, so you should already know that 783 isn't even a blip on my reaction meter.

[kuribo]

Nevermind the fact that you were all too eager to jump on the DizzyIzzy bandwagon after I made my compelling case as follows:

can we just get on with lynching dizzy?

You accuse q21 of opportunism for jumping on the me-wagon: but you jumped on too (to get me to post?) So you vote q21. Then, of course you vote me for my "serious overreaction."

Believe me, when I'm "seriously overreacting," it will involve lots of caps and name-calling, and possibly spamming the letter "A."

[kuribo]

what was that, a triple post?

I do that alot, I tend to respond to stuff one post at a time sometimes, or post again when a new thought occurs to me.

[kuribo]

im here not liking kuribos last few posts but sc kinda acted the same way.

HOW NICE OF YOU TO JOIN US, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME OF MAFIA WITH US

[kuribo]

yeah, you do that re-read, and you'll see that I haven't been "ghost" at all


also maybe you'll learn to spell, but I'll settle for the first thing.

[kuribo]

Yippie for modkills... I'll go ahead and

Vote: Mr. I

again anyway, in the event he is replaced or actually comes back.

No, no, no NO.


We don't WANT modkills--- at least, those of us who are town don't.


What is there to gain from the death of a player that we don't get to interrogate?

[kuribo]

For one thing, if the modkilled is scum, we can go back to look for connections.

Why are you assuming that the modkilled will be scum? Statistical likelyhood shows he's more likely to be town.

[kuribo]

For one thing, if the modkilled is scum, we can go back to look for connections.

As an aside, we can learn more about connections from a replacement / lynch than we can about a modkill.

[kuribo]

For one thing, if the modkilled is scum, we can go back to look for connections.

Why are you assuming that the modkilled will be scum? Statistical likelyhood shows he's more likely to be town.

I'm not assuming that at all. I'm just saying

if

.

A modkill can be better than a replacement because it confirms the player as town or scum. It is also better than a lynch because the day may continue, and we effectively have two lynches, one of them being a lurker/inactive-lynch. Why do you feel a lynch is better than a modkill?

I just told you: If we get a replacement, that means we

A) gain an active player


B) Get to question said active player

C) Get a fresh perspective on the game

All of which can only help the town.

[kuribo]

My apologies, clearly the sarcasm was lost in the translation.

[kuribo]

Unvote, Vote: Killa Seven

, hell, why not.

[kuribo]

man, i'd be down to lynch you just for your freaking grammar


learn to type and stop being lazy, this isn't instant messenger.

[kuribo]

your grammar drives me nuts

[kuribo]

Thats all you have to say?

I could start correcting your grammar for you, if you'd prefer?

[kuribo]

learn to type and stop being lazy, this isn't instant messenger.

[kuribo]

Any thought on the rice case?

Too little, too late. We shouldn't have to drag you kicking and screaming into playing with us.

[kuribo]

Any thought on the rice case?

Too little, too late. We shouldn't have to drag you kicking and screaming into playing with us.

FOS: Kuribo

This is scummy beyond belief. He's discarding a well laid out case only on the basis of his previous activity level, rather then on the basis of the argument.

And It's a case I happen to like,

Vote: Rice

.

No, I'm discarding it because he only posted it after we kept pushing him to do so. Therefore, it doesn't feel like he put any effort into it, nor is he actively scumhunting.

[kuribo]

And niether are proper reasons to discard a case. And I'm not sure why you said no, when you basically repeated exactly what I said you were doing.

Of course it is. If I think K7 is scummy, then it's a great reason to discard a case--- because if he's scum, that case is false.

[kuribo]

And niether are proper reasons to discard a case. And I'm not sure why you said no, when you basically repeated exactly what I said you were doing.

Of course it is. If I think K7 is scummy, then it's a great reason to discard a case--- because if he's scum, that case is false.

Nope! Scum can make great cases. Hell, I've won as scum using great cases (Mafia 78 - Meta Breaking Mafia 1). You should always take the case for case sake before discarding it for ancillary reasons.

Scum make cases for different reasons than town does: Town does it to lynch scum, scum does it to get town to lynch other town.

Therefore, if I am correct in thinking K7 is scum, it DOESN'T make his case against RBT a good one.

[kuribo]

Don't be so narrow minded kuribo, scum are not so black and white, nor is any point in this game. Ever heard of bussing? Distancing? Scum can build a legit case against a fellow scum. (ex: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 00#1070500). You need to learn to think beyond the most basic strategies.

Of course I've heard of those things. My point is that scum DO build legit cases against other scum, but for DIFFERENT REASONS.

I think K7 is scum. Therefore, I think his motive for posting this case against RBT is spurious. Hence, I am free to disregard it.

Further, I think he posted this case against RBT to give the appearance of playing the game after we've had to (as I've said) drag him kicking and screaming into a game of Mafia.

[kuribo]

Jeez, guys, no posts since I left town?

[kuribo]

Oh, I take that back--- 3 posts.

[kuribo]

Nice.

I'm still here, and I think going back and looking over the game is in order.

[kuribo]

And i stand by rice is scum.. not a theory.

How can you be so sure? If you have anything more than blanket statements for us to go by, then I think now's the time to tell us.

[kuribo]

great timing for a roleclaim, captain literacy

[kuribo]

Man, I KNEW something seemed scummy to me about babygirl, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. I guess after awhile apathy got the better of everyone.

[kuribo]

And yeah, if you had claimed SK (or hell, even bulletproof), then you'd have been left alive and Riceball probably woulda been the lynch, and you were NK immune. From there, though, it gets kinda muddy, because I have no idea who the lynch would have been the following day.