This vote feels a little oddly placed. We have all the early game nonsense going on and of all the slots weller decides to vote ours? It doesn't make sense why he singled us out and he never explains it.
Don't like the tone of this either.
In post 110, wellermanbob wrote: In post 109, Infinity Zero wrote:Hi nancy, protocol is gamma emerald. Noraa isn't in this game. Why do you think you'll have difficulty reading me?
-Inf
Are you actually going to do anything with this information or are you just asking to fill the airwaves though?
That wasn't me asking the question but what's wrong with it? Maybe it'll just end up being noise but you can't tell if you don't ask (at least for that one). Though I do think it would be nice if Nancy defined why she thinks Infinity will be hard to sort, as well as possibly why she mistook me for Noraa.
In post 125, wellermanbob wrote:
I get the sense just ignoring Titus will be best for the game regardless of their alignment
This just seems overblown. In further posts weller takes issue with Titus' current approach, so why this comment that seems like he's writing her off for the entire game. In a certain sense it feels like he's discrediting her, which I think scum generally would be invested in doing with how she plays.
In post 129, wellermanbob wrote:
I think they're indistinguishable from throwing darts at a board at the moment because you've offered up reasoning that doesn't seem relevant AND you're publicly explaining them all which combines for a nasty distraction in my opinion
I can see how the reads seem like throwing darts, but I feel like it's a bit of a style thing with Titus where she tends to prefer those data-based reads (what with how she focuses on VCA aand doesn't like d1s). So it's pretty much the way she works that is being picked at. In addition it seems like OMGUS driven shade given him being in that suspect pool he responded to saying he'd ignore her, and
138 kinda affirms my sense that he reflexively shaded Titus there in response to her sussing him in particular.
In post 134, wellermanbob wrote:I think smoke and mirrors and infinity something are the two most significant slots to place at the moment.
Which may or may not include purging with extreme passion
I think this post is disingenuous for two reasons. First, he suggests placing us and S&M quickly, but I don't really see anything actually
engaging
with our slots, all he's doing is pushing us with no reasoning set out at all for it. It's a shallow attempt to look like he's sorting but his words don't match his actions in any way. The second issue is his mention of purging us with "burning passion". That doesn't really harmonize with how he's pushed us, yes he's pushed us a lot but it feels like he doesn't really care about it, it's not his goal to push us. And if it's not his goal, then it's a step to some other goal, presumably pushing town and driving a scum agenda. To expand on how he doesn't have real passion in his push, in
144, his response to Vaxkiller voting us is just to pat Vax on the back for doing it. It doesn't read like he's really caring to put in a full try on pushing us.
In post 135, wellermanbob wrote:
You're explaining reads but they are not useful because you are applying a book on draughts to a game of canasta
I'm pretty concerned with how weller is dealing with explaining reads. Further down in
208 he says he doesn't feel like explaining his reads makes it easier to track his thought process (or I presume that's what he was saying). Well, why? You have people like Titus and Chara who are actually explaining themselves pretty effectively, and people can actual engage and potentially agree on those explanations, which a) helps build trust since they can see where the other person is coming from (and even if they don't agree the thought process is still out there which can be determined as sensible or not), and b) if someone agrees on a scumread they'll vote with you. weller has been pushing us without giving any real logic, which can gain interest from some but rarely carries weight in actually limming someone. This could be a massive playstyle issue but weller isn't interested in putting up the needed effort to work with the town it seems, which as I'll get into later seems scummy in spots.
weller keeps picking at that interaction as why we and S&M are scummy, but here's the thing, those posts didn't exist when he dropped his vote onto us. He's trying to retroactively justify his read, if there is a thing he saw before then it's impossible to tell because he's not explaining it, which is why explaining reads is so crucial.
In post 188, wellermanbob wrote:There's evil afoot between Infinity and Smoke and Mirrors I can smell it.
Thar she blows
This doesn't look like a real thought. It seems like someone tried to draw a beautiful sunrise and just created a bunch of spots of color on a page, there's no emotional substance in how weller expresses himself here. With his previous assertion that he wanted to lim us with a burning passion, it seems like he's trying to fake a solving drive that doesn't exist.
The current gamestate is not very easy to form real reads in. With so many people doing their own nonsense thing, it's hard to actually engage with anyone and have it mean anything. So trying to move out of that makes it easier to form reads, which is pro-town. While I'd say progress has been made we're still not really anywhere near where we should be rn. weller's play has done nothing to really improve gamestate and kinda feels like he's exploiting it to an extent, with his lack of visible logic working into the inscrutable nonsense of the game.
In post 206, wellermanbob wrote:This is always such a silly line of questioning.
Do you think they have a greater chance of being scum than other players in the game? If so, why do you need my reasons?
If no, will me writing some reasons down be a genuine way of you reevaluating? Or is just rereading them yourself enough?
This happens again later, but weller is kinda dodging explaining his own reads by asking a bunch of questions to deflect the point. As has been asserted multiple times, the intent was to sort weller's thought process vs. trying to interpret us. But it seems like weller can't really put out a logic for how he came to scumread us and so strongly, so he has to ask deflecting questions in order to put off the demands to explain himself.
In post 213, wellermanbob wrote:I'm not calling a scumteam with no flips. Merely that those two players have pinged.
This does not click with him saying us and S&M are up to no good. Why are you saying things like that if you're not okay forming associative reads rn?
In post 221, wellermanbob wrote: In post 215, Chara wrote:we are, which is why i conceded i got a read out of it, but getting information out of you is like pulling teeth, and it doesn't need to be that way. for example, it wasn't clear until just now that you weren't calling them teamed, because that is how it sounded to me.
Read infinity's ISO then and tell me what you think. I'll respond!
As I pointed out before, weller is dodging having to explain his read on us, this time by suggesting someone read us and give their own read, "and then he'll respond". This puts burden of proof on others so he can say "oh yeah that what I was thinking" without having to actually make to effort to find reasons himself. Again, he has no logic of his own because he rushed into a read as scum, so he now has to get others to find reasons that he can then call his own.
In post 257, wellermanbob wrote: In post 226, Chara wrote: In post 221, wellermanbob wrote: In post 215, Chara wrote:we are, which is why i conceded i got a read out of it, but getting information out of you is like pulling teeth, and it doesn't need to be that way. for example, it wasn't clear until just now that you weren't calling them teamed, because that is how it sounded to me.
Read infinity's ISO then and tell me what you think. I'll respond!
i think Infinity hasn't really towntold so far. they're asking a lot of questions and i haven't seen much direction from the slot, as well. i would have expected some follow up from the vote on me. my vote's still there, in any case.
Yeah largely agree. There's also the part where it took them a long time to figure out the correct way to approach me voting them/wanting them dead/being townread by other people
As called earlier, weller's response to chara was to claim he agrees.
Also, a question for weller: how new do you think we are to this game?
Really? Because it's not evident at all that you have any real care towards getting us limmed from your posts.
-Protocol
