Mini 637: Xyl's Smalltown Plus - Game Over

[Xylthixlm]

Day 3 dawns. No one died overnight.

The deadline for today is Saturday, September 13 at 9:00 PM pacific.

[hasdgfas]

I want to hear results from the two of you. I don't care the order.

[hasdgfas]

EBWOP: By results I mean night action choices.

[charter]

I did no action.

[hasdgfas]

pwnz, c'mon out.

[charter]

What was your night action choice has?

[hasdgfas]

What was your night action choice has?

after pwnz.

[charter]

can we get a prod on pwnz?

[Xylthixlm]

I am looking for a replacement for pwnz. Deadline will be extended.

[hasdgfas]

I am looking for a replacement for pwnz. Deadline will be extended.

oh you have got to be kidding me.


charter: why no action?

[charter]

I tried to bus myself, but I was told I couldn't. I realized that I could either bus has and pwnz, or no action and just chose no action.

[Xylthixlm]

M4yhem replaces pwnz.

[M4yhem]

Hello Hasdgfas, Hello Charter!

It seems that pwnz didn't bother sending in a choice last night, so I have no information to give you.

Guess you're next, Hasdgfas.

It'll take me a couple of days to reread the game, so I'm gonna ask for your patience while I do so. Obviously, it's important to get this choice right.

[hasdgfas]

Guess you're next, Hasdgfas.

I blocked charter.

charter, who do you think is scum?

[charter]

At first I thought it could be either of you, but I just realized that if it was you, you could have NK'ed for a win. Pwnz's night action claims have been very questionable, "oh hey, I tracked the guy that got blocked", "oh hey, I didn't send in an action and no one died", and then yesterday he basically lurked his way into oblivion. I will make a more comprehensive case against him if you want me to has.

vote mayhem

[M4yhem]

Whoa whoa whoa, I haven't even reread yet, give me a chance!

It's true that pwnz was a lurker and didn't take his role seriously but that has nothing to do with his alignment and everything to do with his personality. If you will just give me a little space to do some analysis, I will prove that to you.

As for him tracking you when you were blocked, Charter, how was he supposed to know? As far as I know, has didn't tell anyone in advance who he was going to block, and pwnz only claimed after Has because the order was random. Obviously Pwnz and Has both suspected you at that point.

Are you really sure enough to throw the entire game to Has if you're wrong, Charter? That seems very strange to me. Please retract, we still have plenty of time before the deadline and I haven't quite caught up with you yet.

hasdgfas- If you're town, you'll wait for me to reread. I know it's frustrating to wait, but I can't make the right choice without the facts.

[charter]

Well, from my point of view, has is confirmed town. That means you are the last scum. If has was scum, he would have NK'ed me last night and there would have been absolutely no stopping him winning.

I suppose that it's not worth the risk of just losing, but I really don't see any way that has is scum.

unvote

As for him tracking you when you were blocked, Charter, how was he supposed to know? As far as I know, has didn't tell anyone in advance who he was going to block, and pwnz only claimed after Has because the order was random.

He didn't need to know, he went last. The order was not random, armlx (confirmed scum) let pwnz go last.

[hasdgfas]

I still think it's charter, but I'm going to let mayhem read first.

[M4yhem]

Well, from my point of view, has is confirmed town. That means you are the last scum. If has was scum, he would have NK'ed me last night and there would have been absolutely no stopping him winning.

I suppose this is true. Unless Has forgot, which doesn’t seem very likely.
So, it’s you or me, which means it’s you. I don’t really understand why, if you’re scum, you would give me this information, but maybe you think Has will say it anyway, so you might as well be honest.

I don’t understand why you didn’t use you night ability. Wasn’t there a chance you could have sent the scum kill back at themselves? What’s your justification for not trying to protect a townie?

He didn't need to know, he went last. The order was not random, armlx (confirmed scum) let pwnz go last.

I guess that’s true. However, it seems to me that it was Armlx who made the kill, since he claimed to have investigated Geddingsworth, who conveniently died. You probably worked out what you would say before day came and so the order didn’t matter. That fact that you also picked the conveniently dead Ged as one of your choices is suggestive to me.

Anyway, I’ve reread, and I’m leaning towards a Charter lynch because:
Crazy voted Charter at the beginning of day one, then retracted and never mentioned him again. I call that ‘distancing’.
Charter claimed to suspect Crazy but never as a number one suspect. I also call that distancing.
Charter was against Has’ plan to SB early in the game. Since Crazy was SBomber, I find that suggestive.
Armlx defended Charter from an attack by pwnz.
Armlx claimed to see Charter as Wolf’s partner, but voted for Wolf not Charter day two. Distancing, again. Charter said the same about armlx, but neither of them ever came close to voting each other.
Charter pushed hard against Iceman (town), Zombie (town) and Wolf (town).
And, like I said, I can’t think of any reason for Charter not to use his bus power last night if town.

There are things that bother me about Has as well, namely, the fact him and Armlx spent most of the game agreeing and he also helped to lynch several townies, but there are more point against Charter than Has.

Fos:Charter

, no vote till I hear responses from both of you.

[charter]

I don’t understand why you didn’t use you night ability. Wasn’t there a chance you could have sent the scum kill back at themselves? What’s your justification for not trying to protect a townie?

I had only one choice for action, I figured scum knew that that was all I could do as well and would plan accordingly, so I decided to do the opposite.

Anyway, I’ve reread, and I’m leaning towards a Charter lynch because:
Crazy voted Charter at the beginning of day one, then retracted and never mentioned him again. I call that ‘distancing’.

Crazy didn't do much of anything but stall SBing someone.

Charter claimed to suspect Crazy but never as a number one suspect. I also call that distancing.

Mainly I didn't want to get SB'ed. pwnz conveniently never gave opinions on anyone but ZS and myself.

Armlx defended Charter from an attack by pwnz.

I believe that was hascow.

Armlx claimed to see Charter as Wolf’s partner, but voted for Wolf not Charter day two. Distancing, again. Charter said the same about armlx, but neither of them ever came close to voting each other.

Looks life if I suspect enough people I'm bound to be right every once in a while.

Charter pushed hard against Iceman (town), Zombie (town) and Wolf (town).

Clearly I've been wrong a lot this game.

And, like I said, I can’t think of any reason for Charter not to use his bus power last night if town.

I had only one choice to do. Like I said, I figured scum would know this as well, and plan accordingly, so I did the opposite.

Your whole case against me boils down to "distancing", not that I'm scummy. I just said whatever in response to your points because most of them weren't things I did, so I can't explain them. I could make a similar case against you because pwnz "lurked" the whole game and never mentioned armlx or Crazy.

[M4yhem]

Armlx defended Charter from an attack by pwnz.

I believe that was hascow.

Put that all together and we are left with one Mafia vote on charter at the very beginning of the game, which could honestly mean anything.

Mafia will sometimes vote for other members of the mafia early in the game in order to remove suspicion.

Your case on charter self contradicts within 1 paragraph. Nice.

You believe wrong.

Crazy didn't do much of anything but stall SBing someone.

But he still made time for you.

Mainly I didn't want to get SB'ed. pwnz conveniently never gave opinions on anyone but ZS and myself.

What made you think you’d be S-Bed?
True, pwnz didn’t say much, but since he left the game at a point where all he had to do was send in a kill to win, I think you can discount the idea that his silence was a strategy. He just didn’t care. And if he was right about you, he had a 50% success rate, which is pretty good.

Clearly I've been wrong a lot this game.

Yeah. Is that normal for you?

Your whole case against me boils down to "distancing", not that I'm scummy. I just said whatever in response to your points because most of them weren't things I did, so I can't explain them.

Well okay, but what about your voting record? Nothing but townies, that's pretty scummy.
And then there the fact you were blocked and there was no kill last night.

I could make a similar case against you because pwnz "lurked" the whole game and never mentioned armlx or Crazy.

You could make

a

case against pwnz, but it wouldn’t be similar. You are the only one with these scummy two-way connections to both dead scum.

Has, your thoughts?

[hasdgfas]

There are things that bother me about Has as well, namely, the fact him and Armlx spent most of the game agreeing

I didn't think armlx really did anything scummy.

and he also helped to lynch several townies

I find this to be a terrible reason to be suspicious of someone.

Pretty much the main reason besides gut that I'm suspicious of charter is armlx's interactions with him. Look at this post:

Vote Wolf

I think its wolf + charter, but charter is pretty much there on PoE where as wolf has said and done some actively scummy things.

He didn't really say anything else about charter being scummy, and yet in his last post of the game he says he thinks it's wolf + charter for almost no reason. Pretty iffy to me. I can find more if necessary.

[M4yhem]

You don't think being on a town bandwagon is a slight scum indicator, Has?
I know town votes for town too but I think it's still worth mentioning.

I agree with you about Armlx's interaction with Charter. The funny thing is, Charter said pretty much the same thing- that he thought Armlx was scum with wolf, but he hadn't mentioned Armlx before that or tied him to Wolf in any way. Looks fake.

[hasdgfas]

You don't think being on a town bandwagon is a slight scum indicator, Has?
I know town votes for town too but I think it's still worth mentioning.

You should look at how they vote more than who they vote for.

[charter]

So, have I done anything that's scummy? Some things that I can actually explain?