Mature Mafia: Game Over

[Talitha]

I'm still prefering nonny. But I'm thinking the scum are probably nonny/werebear/logic.

(Damn the lack of hours in a day... I need to finish my read-over )


armlx should put a votecount on every page votecount

nonny-3 (Adel, Tally, Logictus)
werebear- 2 (DGB, armlx)
axel- 1 (nonny)
DGB- 1 (werebear)

(Axel,)

8 alive, 5 to lynch

[armlx]

I'm posting this in all my games. My computer power cord just broke again, same issue as last time. I'm going to be on LA for a week or two while I wait for a new one to arrive.

[DrippingGoofball]

unvote, vote: nonny

[Axelrod]

I'm pretty sure I'm satisfied with a Nonny Lynch. If there are three scum and Nonny

isn't

one of them, I'm just stumped on what the configuration would be.

But I've got reviewing to do still.

Hey Nonny, look at me, not hammering you! If you can explain why scum me does that to town you...well, I'll be impressed.

[nonny]

Hey Nonny, look at me, not hammering you! If you can explain why scum me does that to town you...well, I'll be impressed.

WIFOM, don't need to explain that.


Tally: how on earth can you explain werebear/logic/myself as a scum pairing? Only logic is going after a wagon, and you said yourself that scum don't need to buss each other today (paraphrased)

I'm going with my stronger gut.

unvote, vote tally

reasons have been stated for monthes. Still strongly suspect axel though...

[armlx]

Hey Nonny, look at me, not hammering you! If you can explain why scum me does that to town you...well, I'll be impressed.

The fact there's a potentially active vig is a reason. Scum might want to avoid being obv scum.

That said, I'm definitely willing to hammer once everyone checks in on it.

[Werebear]

I'm not that fond of a nonny vote, but then again, nothing about this game is making much sense to me. I notice TheDrippingGoofball happily piled on.

It doesn't really matter if I vote or not, my fan club is going for me tomorrow whether nonny is town or mafia.

[nonny]

Yep because some people just have one theory from day one and never re-anaylze or drop it *cough*adel*cough*

[Axelrod]

DGB

What I didn't like at all about DGB was her rampant lurking and general lack of participation in this game right out of the gate.

She started with a joke vote on Logic, disappeared for about a week, and came back jumping right on the Mathcam wagon with all guns a-blazing. She pretty much focused exclusively on Mathcam for quite a while, without really saying much of anything about anyone else.

Then she does take a strong stand against the Raj. wagon, which is somewhat odd as there was (in my humble opinion) not much of anything to defend there. But it is possible I am biased here.

She then does take on Glork a bit and criticizes his assesment of Raj. She also is critical of Adel's assesment of Elvis Knits.

Looking back at the early game, frankly, DGB looks better than I was remembering her being.

Of course, then she completely jumps ship onto Macros after he claims to be the "Death Post Alterer" and her vote is sitting there when the day ends (actually, she may have been part of the Raj lynch that none of us realized had happened for a week).

Day 2 she came out of the gates barning me and voting for Glork. Again my bias comes into play as I can't exactly find this scummy. I'm somewhat curious why she lost interest in Macros though. She says early on that Glork or Adel are the people she will vote for, but Macros was who she voted for last, and he hasn't done anything to make himself townier at this point I don't think.

Then she goes through another long period of inactivity which I was remembering where her total contributions consist of making pronouncments like "Talitha is Town" and "Both Axel and Talitha are town." These are not super-helpful. She does not elaborate further beyond saying that both of us have said things ("one or two sentences") which she feels could not possibly have been made by a scum. That's kind of weak as a reason also, especially when you aren't telling anyone what the "one or two sentences" are so we can evaluate your supposed reasoning.

I don't suppose you could go back and let us know what those sentences were, hmm?

She then goes on vacation which results in another large (2 week) gap in posting, and comes back with more pronuncements ("I think logiticus and Nonny are town"). When pressed for her reasoning, she again gives vague generalities - "Demeanor and attitude" which are impossible to evaluate. This is definitely my low point as far as my feelings about DGB go. It does not seem like she's trying at all. It reads like she's skating by, putting in the very minimum, and avoiding saying anything specific that could pin her down.

Then she does that self-vote thing, which I have trouble seeing a scum do. Not that it's ever a good idea for a townie to do it either, but I tend to see a lot more townie self votes than scum self votes - unless the scum are flat out hammering themselves to end the day. This vote clearly wasn't that. If she's scum it was a rather large gamble. Possible, because maybe she felt like she was on the ropes and didn't have much to lose, but still a large gamble. Then again, she doesn't leave her vote on herself for very long.

Day 3 she comes out against Adel first (again, without really saying what it is that Adel did or said to make her feel this way - not helpful). It looks like it

might

be because Adel is supporting the theory I proposed that one of the non-mod. powered players was likely to be scum, and Adel and DGB are the only 2 non-mod. powered players left.

She then has one of her more dramatic reversals, going from THIS "You're scum." To THIS "I think Adel is town." With NO posts in between.

I mean, there are 4 game days in between and Adel has made some posts so

obviously something

Adel said in those 4 days dramatically changed DGB's opinion, it's just that DGB completely fails to mention what that post or those posts were. This is getting to be quite an annoying pattern.

I probe a little on her reasoning and her answer is just as vague and non-specific as all her answers have been all game - "Her tone. It seems consistent across several posts." Huh?

After another 9 day gap in posting, she's now saying THIS about Adel. Really? She's now so convinced Adel is town she'll jump off a cliff?

The most I can say here is that I don't quite see this as a scummy thing to say because I don't think it gains DGB much as scum to suddenly be posting that Adel is now townie town. Most of the time scum want to create doubts about possible lynchee's, not declare their undying support for them. Of course, if DGB were part of a 3-man scum team, they would know they didn't need many more lynches (and maybe only one more) so that would give them room to focus on just the few most vulnerable targets. So it's possible, just unconventional.

Her focus at that point was on Werebear and that was pretty much it. She thinks I'm town, and says so a lot.

Until just recently when she jumps on this Nonny wagon who at various times she has said she thought was Town, but has also hedged a bit on.

Overall, it's nothing to write home about. Her style is difficult to analyze because she waggons without shame and makes abrult pronuncements without giving a basis and is always vague and non-specific when asked why she feels a certain way about a specific player. I don't have a history to go on as far as DGB goes, so I can't say how much of this is typical behavior for her and whether or not it's something she always does as town/scum. I also know I'm not about to go researching old games of hers for a basis of comparison either though, because I can barely keep up with this one game here as it is.

So maybe someone who has more experience with DGB can weigh in on whether this is just typical for her or not. She's not the top scum candidate, because she hasn't done anything that in and of itself I would say is super scummy, but she's been vague a lot, and waggoned a lot, and lurked a lot, and the combination of all these things doesn't look exactly good either.

Meh. [/b]

[Talitha]

Werebear is DEFINITELY scum. So is nonny.
Logic is my only doubt, but i'm still thinking he's the third.

[armlx]

Overall, it's nothing to write home about.

I agree with this on DGB.

Tally's last post actually is the game winner I think. That makes a lot of sense. Most sure of WB, vote is staying there for now.

[Adel]

So maybe someone who has more experience with DGB can weigh in on whether this is just typical for her or not. She's not the top scum candidate, because she hasn't done anything that in and of itself I would say is super scummy, but she's been vague a lot, and waggoned a lot, and lurked a lot, and the combination of all these things doesn't look exactly good either.

Meh.

based off of four or five games of her games from the last year, nothing stands out as unusual for her.

[DrippingGoofball]

Axel is town. There's a couple of sentences in there I like.

[DrippingGoofball]

Most sure of WB...

Me too, but that wagon has no steam.

[Talitha]

I think nonny is the safest lynch. She's been at L-1 for nearly 3 days... you have to think that either she's scum, or all 3 scum are already voting for her.

From my POV this means that either Adel, logic AND DGB are scum, or nonny is scum.
If Adel & DGB are scum together, then I'd rather just quit now.

Yeah another explanation is that there could be a patient scum just waiting... but meh, I really don't think they'd wait so long to hammer with 4 votes already on a townie. What if someone unvoted?

So yeah, I think it's reasonable to assume that non is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Good points, Tally.

[nonny]

You even gonna ask for a claim or just wait for your buddy to take your hint and hammer?

[DrippingGoofball]

Sure, claim.

[nonny]

Sure, claim.

ailgnment or role....?

townsperson, flavorer(make death scenes more interesting)

[DrippingGoofball]

Just as I thought, another vanilla.

[armlx]

Tally makes sense here especially as WB isn't voting nonny, nilla claim isn't really that spectacular either.

?Unvote, Vote Nonny

[Adel]

so that makes five votes and a lynch?

[nonny]

nonny-5 (Adel, Tally, Logictus, DGB, Armlx)
tally- 1 (nonny)
DGB- 1 (werebear)

(Axel,)

8 alive, 5 to lynch



Good Luck!

[Talitha]

Logic, you are allowed to post as well as

sending the kill and

opening and closing the thread you know...

(I'm not dead)

[Adel]

I'm not dead either.