Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.11

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-04 23:00:00).

execution

NoPowerOverMe [3]:

PenguinPower, Lunar Martian, HeWhoSwims

Kazyan [3]:

Papa Zito, Gamma Emerald, Alchemist21

Alchemist21 [3]:

2ndchosen1,

Dannflor

, Elements

PenguinPower [1]:

NoPowerOverMe

Elements [1]:

Hayker

Not voting [2]:

ben dover123, Kazyan

mod notes

~ yeet

flavour

[ben dover123]

Lol the VC flavor
What's up with Alchemist?

[HeWhoSwims]

yes
VOTE: NPOM
let's roll
with my limited knowledge this seems like a better wager than Elements for the time being

Why's that?

Their posts/ISO in general seems mostly town. I think nothing they did really warranted the amount of suspicion that was thrust upon them and I feel like they actually handled that pretty well and moreso than NPOM.

[Alchemist21]

Lol the VC flavor
What's up with Alchemist?

Do you mean me or the wagon on me?

[ben dover123]

Lol the VC flavor
What's up with Alchemist?

Do you mean me or the wagon on me?

The wagon on you.

[HeWhoSwims]

Sorry - i meant to have A on the second line. Rephrase:

Wicked wintertime
A seventh, scummy vote yeets
elimination

Beautiful. Tear in my eye.

I am really not seeing the arguments against kazyan my peeps. Their first posts don't only seem enthusiastic but I think they are actively trying to just, contribute to the state of the game. Give reads. Interact with almost everyone. That seems town to me, when we have to go off Day 1 stuff and no flips and associations and investigations and all the jazz. I don't know if scum/newbscum would go out to have their first posts in the threat be those posts. And seems to handle the sheeping stuff well enough, but I don't think it held too much weight to start with. We're in the first 20 pages, I don't really see much of a threat in that especially with someone who seems town to me looking at their other stuff.

[Gamma Emerald]

HeWhoSwims do you have any conection to derp?

[Hayker]

So I spent a large part of my day yesterday reviewing an old game I played. Due to it, I believe Papa Zito to be town. Ill admit using meta from a long time ago is a bit foolish, but it gives me a read on him for the time being.

I still dislike Elememts, but id like to take a some time to put pressure on Ben. Id like to place

FoS:ben

his behavior in many ways reminds me of zito in KH mafia. He is a very active player, but a lot of his early game posts were arguing zbout game theory, which as Zito thankfully pointed out, was not advancing discussion. He's had few comments here and there that come off as buddying, such as a small comment Bsn madd toward Kazyan about knowing whats up. Been waffling on NPOM all day.

[Lunar Martian]

I want to give a list of my thoughts.
These folks are of the Town: Gamma, Hayker, Ben, Kazyan probably, Papa Zito maybe.
Elements has a fair shot of being Town.
Unsure of Alchemist, HeWhoSwims, and 2ndchosen1.
I think PenguinPower and NoPower are probably my two top picks for Mafia.

[Lunar Martian]

There is no town block. I think you are confused.

Ah OK I was confused, but the rest of the post stands.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think Ben, lunar, gamma and of course dannflor are town. I have always made short posts in every game.

[2ndchosen1]

@Alchemist
I suppose it could be that you missed some text in the post, that is possible. I'm not gonna pretend to be perfect; I could accidently do the same. Would you share your current read on Elements, Kazyan, and I?

@Ben
I initially was looking at Alchemist as someone who was active but not really helping town get info, he then slid to a point where he had to be prodded to continue(which didn't mean much to me then or now). Afterwards, it seemed to me that he continued by asking questions that would have already been answered in a post by Dann, specifically post 328 where he talks about Hayker specifically. He went on to ask a question that I saw as answered by the post and to me it seemed like noise and/or defensiveness

@Gamma
hide the pain harold is a treasure, but why is the question about derp is worth asking when it doesn't really help to town or scum hunt?

@Kazyan
I looked through and Alchemist did do the sheep accusation before your explanation on 386 in 358 so I don't think reasoning in point 1 fully stands

[Alchemist21]

Would you share your current read on Elements, Kazyan, and I?

Kayzan I’m scumreading.

Elements I’m also scumreading but to a lesser extent.

You I’m Townreading. I’m annoyed by your push on me but I don’t think it comes from scum. It feels more like Town that actually thought they had something.

[Alchemist21]

The only way that makes sense to me, as the confusing-to-read newbie,

is if he's not actually an uninformed vanilla townie.

I forgot to talk about this last night but this part here looks like role fishing. Why is there an implicit assumption that Town me has to be a VT? The vanilla Townie callout is so specific that it makes me think Kayzan thinks I’m a PR and wants to push me to a claim.

[Elements]

Elements I’m also scumreading but to a lesser extent.

oooo exciting
tell me more

[Alchemist21]

Come on, people.

5 pages already is a bit much. I see Danfloor is IC, so that’s good. If I recall correctly he does have good reads as Town.

Let me go back and cite the post but tbere was something I didn’t like from Elements.

VOTE: Elements

It’s based on this.

It’s not a strong read but I haven’t seen anything from you that reverses the read.

[Datisi]

Replacing ben dover123.

[Alchemist21]

Replacing ben dover123.

Dang there goes my twin.

[Elements]

Did you not find my reasoning satisfactory?

[Alchemist21]

UNVOTE: NPOM[/unvote

I don't like this
put your vote back

This post. Elements why are you telling other people to move their vote this early in the game?

I was going for a "if we can get an E-1 wagon on NPOM super early that would soft town clear him"

Yeah this isn’t good reasoning and doesn’t alleviate my suspicion that you were trying control the gamestate.

[Elements]

Why is asking one person trying to control the gamestate?

[Alchemist21]

Because you were demanding it, and it was the 1 vote that had strayed from the wagon.

I still don’t understand why you thought an early E-1 would have softcleared NPOM.

[Lunar Martian]

Come on, people.

5 pages already is a bit much. I see Danfloor is IC, so that’s good. If I recall correctly he does have good reads as Town.

Let me go back and cite the post but tbere was something I didn’t like from Elements.

VOTE: Elements

It’s based on this.

It’s not a strong read but I haven’t seen anything from you that reverses the read.

There's actually no reason in that post though.

[Lunar Martian]

OK nevermind. I don't really see the issue with what Elements said though?

[ben dover123]

Replacing ben dover123.

kinda lost interest in this game, unfortunately. that's all I can really say, plus the fact that I'm keep on falling behind and would likely get replaced out of inactivity anyways with this game