In post 5703, Polar Bear Express wrote:Mastina since I know for a fact these ridiculous fanfiction type of analysis is something she can also do as town. that’s why I’m saying I NIA read that.
Your previous posts made it seem you like you were scum reading mastina for that.
In post 5703, Polar Bear Express wrote:What’s bizarre to me is Mastina’s 180 and now Ircher’s jumped on it. Even Solstice who I would expect to know better is buying into to it.
If the 180 you are referring to is our reads on you, I think you really need to consider the fact that the poe pool is only five people now. Most of the people we thought were scum earlier have either flipped already or are masons. Reads change with time as new evidence and new information arises. It may seem like a sudden change, and it is a sudden change, but it's a change backed in reevaluating the game state based on the info we have now, not the info we previously had.
I've seen some town-indicative stuff from your slot. I really did think the voting dissonance on Day 2 was a decent town indicator for your slot, and I still do. But you have to understand that from my perspective, both mastina and Solstice are stronger town reads. mastina has played an exceptionally good game if she is scum, and I did look at the game she linked, and she didn't seem too similar here. She also would have had to hard bus /both/ Bell and DEB, and I don't find that rather likely. Solstice is in a (at least imho) mechanically cleared situation, and while their play may not seem as strongly as town, it's still town enough overall that it doesn't make me raise eyebrows at the slot/become paranoid that I'm reading the setup correctly. I am town from my perspective. That leaves Spiffeh and you as the scum team by process of elimination.
This isn't obvious, and nor is it a soft clear. Like, we cannot all be scum thinking it isn't a soft clear. Arguments based on what Flavor Leaf would or would not instruct the scum team to do are not super useful because neither situation occurs infrequently enough to be statistically significant.
You can make conjectures based on what scum would or would not do, but you have to acknowledge that they are mainly conjectures. That is, there's a reasonable chance that your conjecture is wrong and something else actually happened.
A single game is an anecdote, not evidence. There are so many other variables you have to account for like the scum team in that game, the town in that game, the current game state, and so much more. To make any significant statement that can be applied broadly, you need to get a sufficient sample size. If you linked 20 games to back up your point, that would be far more meaningful. A single game is hardly evidence though, especially when it doesn't seem like the behavior you are claiming soft clears you is unusual for any scum player.
Have you stopped for a second and considered the fact that we /don't/ know your alignment? It's easy to think "I'm obviously town" when you /know/ you are town, but to outsiders, that isn't nearly as apparent.
Take a look back at what Bell did. Please tell me how your behavior is significantly different from what Bell did after pichu gave his case.
Actions speak louder than words. Willingness to do is not the same as actually going through with it. Why do you think people use AtE on the site? Why do people make statements like this? They do it because they know it has a good chance of working. They do it because they can claim whatever, but it is much harder to actually do things that show they are town.
Okay, then what's your point? Like, why would you bring it up unless you are trying to use it to sell us that you are town here?
In post 5703, Polar Bear Express wrote:considering no one is bothering to debunk that like every single one of my other arguments and still call that AtE completely blows my mind.
Even if we call it something else, the point remains the same. Why are you spending so much time talking about why you are soft cleared when you could be using it to generate reads and solving? You should realize that by this point, continuing to argue that you are soft cleared or that you are town is going to go nowhere. All it does is waste space and clutter the thread. Thus, if you are town, why haven't you attempted a different strategy? Why haven't you tried to /show/ you are town by being town, rather than merely argue that you are town?
I understand that you are a newer player, Gloria. Your viewpoint and strategy here is quite typical of the newer and more inexperienced players. But what you need to realize is that what may seem obvious to you is not obvious to others, and that not everything is black and white. When people express a scum read on you, they aren't doing it because they are trying to pick on you, they do it because based on /their/ knowledge, you are the most likely scum. And while it may seem that we have made up our minds, the answer is we haven't. For if the game had decided already, we wouldn't couldn't discussing. We would go forth with what we have collectively decided.
Too often, newer players focus too much on defending themselves when really they should focus on finding scum and helping town's win condition. Thus, if you are town, stop focusing on yourself. Start focusing on the other people in this game. Elaborate on your town reads and scum reads, but don't focus on yourself. Show that you are town by doing, not by merely arguing such.
