PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Bell]

I am now trying to solve.

[Toogeloo]

K, I'm detective.
N1 I investigated Toog who killed no one.
Good job everyone.
Good job.

This is, at the very least: a plausible claim with a plausible target.

What, am I a rookie? Is Bell a Rookie?

You telling me that I would literally take any action at all on N1 as scum after claiming VT? Watchers and Trackers would keep me from ever taking an action after a post 1 VT claim let alone worrying about someone specifically checking I did the kill. Even more so with the fact that we know that scum can multitask.

[mastina]

I honestly sound fine in every post

Since the latter half of D1, you actually do!

[Creature]

K, I'm detective.
N1 I investigated Toog who killed no one.
Good job everyone.
Good job.

Hol up y'all, what is the chance that there are two detectives in this game?
With this many players is that possible?
I don't really deal with too much setup spec and my modded games are nuts so I have no reference for tamer games.

probably not gonna happen
why?

Thaaaaat's what I thought.

@BELL

you got some serious splaining to do.
I'm mad that you are making me sign a death warrant so early in the game, but no you aren't the detective, I am.
I'll give you the benefit for like two seconds if you can explain why you would fake claim detective.
Otherwise, I'm dropping the vote and hopefully the hammer.

Whaaaaaat?

[pichu]

lol

[Bell]

K, I'm detective.
N1 I investigated Toog who killed no one.
Good job everyone.
Good job.

This is, at the very least: a plausible claim with a plausible target.

What, am I a rookie? Is Bell a Rookie?

You telling me that I would literally take any action at all on N1 as scum after claiming VT? Watchers and Trackers would keep me from ever taking an action after a post 1 VT claim let alone worrying about someone specifically checking I did the kill. Even more so with the fact that we know that scum can multitask.

This implies I should have investigated you in your own argument.

Also yeah, I saw the counter claim.

[Bell]

breathes*

[Creature]

Fuck it am gone for today. Kinda hoping 3599 is serious so we can at least have 50/50 chance of getting scum.

[Bell]

Why are you doing this Mr. Cakes.

[Solstice]

K, I'm detective.
N1 I investigated Toog who killed no one.
Good job everyone.
Good job.

Hol up y'all, what is the chance that there are two detectives in this game?
With this many players is that possible?
I don't really deal with too much setup spec and my modded games are nuts so I have no reference for tamer games.

The scumstump may also submit two rules the moderators must follow when designing the setup. (Ex: No cops/gunsmiths, All town must be joats). Any broken rules will be rejected.

[FL says "Town must have at least two of the same power role" or just straight up says 2 detectives.]

[i'm a little surprised no one thought of that in response to 3467. Like i doubt it, but stiiiill, it's the first thing that came to mind for me.]

~Morning

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mastina

I'm kind of working on this mastina, polar bear scum team at the moment.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Just glossing over my shit Bell??

[Bell]

No, you have my full attention.

[Toogeloo]

Bell might be scum too, but my vote there is on faith.

[MURDERCAT]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mastina

I'm kind of working on this mastina, polar bear scum team at the moment.

Good thinking

[Double the Trouble]

Easy Bake who did you target N1?

- Norwee

[Bell]

Bell might be scum too, but my vote there is on faith.

Faith?

[Toogeloo]

Faith?

Town reads pushing your wagon. Other than your claim, I've not had much better than a bill read on you.

[Spiffeh]

oooo I feel like we're gonna get some good drama here guys

[mastina]

would you pick mastina? i hear you two don't gel together but you did fine in krazy's upick

Well to give you an idea.
I am an avid proponent of realclaiming because the truth is your greatest ally. If you are, genuinely, telling the truth, then that sincerity will bleed through and make your arguments more genuine and be better overall. Because if you're telling the truth, you cannot be found out by logical holes in your claim because there are none. By taking actions with a plausibly town role that are plausible from town to take, you are not going to be counterclaimed and you are going to look good for having done so.

Flavor Leaf is an avid proponent of lying through your ass and is addicted to a fakeclaiming complex. Whereas a simple claim would likely get the job done, FL loves to produce fakeclaims layered upon fakeclaims. And sometimes even deliberately plans a fakeclaim into a changed fakeclaim. And extends this to his scumbuddies as well. And when those scumbuddies don't go along with this plan, he breaks his no-bussing rule to bus them. (He's done this to jjh, who very much wasn't playing ball with FL, and to me, who also wasn't playing ball with him.)

So he can make it work.

But there is in fact a fundamental clash in fundamental mafia philosophies.

He also tends to make kills I would never make, and vice versa.

This fundamental clash in mafia philosophies and difference in kill philosophies can work out by mutually making it look like neither of us are in our scum MO by having it be half of one and half of the other and our natural clash causing us to naturally bus each other so that we don't look like scumbuddies; this is more or less what happened in Krazy's game.

But overall, I don't work well with FL. We can be strong as a scumteam in spite of that lack of teamwork...or rather, specifically

because

of that lack of teamwork. But there's no synergy, just anti-synergy. That doesn't mean FL wouldn't pick me, he could, but if so he would need to more or less create his entire scum strategy to revolve around the lack of synergy between us. I don't play ball with FL so if he made me scum he'd need to specifically develop the entirety of his scumplan to revolve around me not playing ball with him in his court. Which he could do. He didn't, at least not with me, because I'm town, but to have me as scum does require FL to play in a very specific way centered around that fundamental inherent clash in polar opposite mafia philosophies.

[Bell]

Okay, but somebody just literally counter claimed me.

[Double the Trouble]

FL says "Town must have at least two of the same power role" or just straight up says 2 detectives.]

Loving this 1000 iq answer.

- Norwee

[Bell]

and I spent 8 hours and plan to spend more doing this.

[Toogeloo]

The issue is Leaf is just a stump and doesn't require anything on your part to play with. He may as well not exist.

[mastina]

I will say there is one townie who is doing significantly better than the rest, but you won’t know who I think that is until post game.

It's usually me.