Open 801: Trust Fall (Game Over)

[Necessary Sneasel]

i dont really see that level of wifom in jakes play - hes usually pretty straight to the point.

this reads tmi

[Necessary Sneasel]

I'm just gonna settle this

I trust Gloria

if she is scum playing this well and correctly intuited that she needed to softclear herself long enough for uncrowned to fall for hectic then MY GOD I'm going to get this wrong later

?

Gloria is already conf town

read 864

Pooky >>> Jake > RR > shelly

we're in a pickle

Shelly is also conf-town

the POE right now is

Pooky - Jake - RR - Sneasel.

Wasn't caught up, I'm a busy Sneasel, you're getting my realtimes.

[Necessary Sneasel]

I agree with Gloria's thoughts on Rainbow, those same posts have me worried too.

I'm just also worried that it's not

that

much and I don't agree with her logic on Jake being town. Actually I don't agree with her logic on

me

being town in one of those posts, a lot of people were putting Hectic in definitely-not-scum territory, I don't think people trying to interfere with that in subtle ways means anything.

I vehemently disagree with Gloria on Pooky being town
I'm kind of indifferent about the Jake anti hectic thing (I don't think I'd classify Jake's play d1 as engaged enough to be anti anything)

I do think Jake's mini meltdown over being universal scumread was kind of towny?

[Necessary Sneasel]

don’t really see this as scum theatre

nothing there makes me think it's not scum theatre, sorry if this sounds like blanket invalidating, I think you're a bit confbiased towards Pooky being town and I think that makes sense because I feel like he's been pocketing yoi

[Necessary Sneasel]

hm I am happy to explain either of these, sorry if I lose us the game

I trust Akarin
I trust Fidget

still trust Gloria obv

[Necessary Sneasel]

difference in Hectic’s responses to both Pooky and RR.

the more I read the more I start to think you're right :/

[Necessary Sneasel]

Oh yeah, we should do a thing where we propose to the towniest people, and have them not accept. We can "clear" people if we slowly propose to the UTRs until we have a smaller pool. So we can IC people while keeping them in the game while they can continue to weigh in

This is why I'm still worried about Sneasel actually.

honestly my eyes glazed over on 460 because it's a pretty obvious thing to point out (scum mech fluffing in hindsight) but if people are actually anxious about me let's solve around this

[Necessary Sneasel]

and just letting Equinox sort Jake-RR out.

Would you like to clarify how the moderator will sort out me and Rainbow road?

No.

I feel like reading comprehension is an important skill that we should all get a bit of practice in.

i like you

[Necessary Sneasel]

And I'm worried it was to encourage us to trust some of the at-the-moment consensus townreads first. i.e. Sneasel. Then Hectic would have been the 2nd scum in the game in that case.

If we went down the list the other way, Hectic is out first and Rainbow and Jake are endgamed. Which is bad for Hectic-Rainbow.

respectfully I am a stronger scum player than hectic and setting up weird post flip associatives then putting the scum who left with uncrowned down to a coin flip would be a tragically shitty plan

[Necessary Sneasel]

Controversial take: I'm townreading Gloria right now.

[Necessary Sneasel]

I suppose it’s possible for both Hectic and Sneasel to have tf’d Uncrowned at the same time, hoping he’d choose among them and it being some kind of gambit?

thing is I really don't feel like any of this is a *good* gambit

[Necessary Sneasel]

WiFoM

just drink the damn wine and vote whatever your drunk self feels like

[shellyc]

necessary is town

[Gloria Cleary]

difference in Hectic’s responses to both Pooky and RR.

the more I read the more I start to think you're right :/

Read Fidget’s case on why RR is scum.

[Necessary Sneasel]

i have read everything and am starting to agree with y'all that rr has a non negligible chance of being the partner

I'd like Pooky left to endgame as a wildcard before Jake at this point though

[Gloria Cleary]

i have read everything and am starting to agree with y'all that rr has a non negligible chance of being the partner

I'd like Pooky left to endgame as a wildcard before Jake at this point though

Why is Jake townier than Pooky? but if me and Fidget are right we still win.

[Necessary Sneasel]

think Jake's little tantrum about being universally scumread looks sincere. it's a pretty ridiculous strat for solo scum to take rather than just, you know, doing the things we're asking Jake to do in an effort to look like town.

I don't really think Pooky has done anything towny other than clearing uncrowend, he's posting a lot but most of it is cute and pockety without effort to actually solve the game - I think he wants to look good & be seen to look good but I'm not convinced he had a stake in working out who the scum are.

I just don't trust his play here and if it's coming from a towny mindset idk how to make myself see that

[shellyc]

i was going to trust sneasel in this post but then deleted it after ctrl+f sneasel in hectic's iso

its lackluster

[shellyc]

I'm just a tad paranoid y'know, I still townread sneasel

idk i wanna LP pooky-RR. pooky still makes me uncomfortable.

[Fidget]

I am fine leaving Pooky and Rainbow out

[Akarin]

When someone asks you a question, instead of insisting that they are ignorant, maybe try to help them understand. I threw my hands up because you demonstrated that you wouldn't give me an answer.

Because I felt it was obvious from context and thought maybe you'd give me a reaction that would help me read you one way or the other.

Sadly you didn't.

I was literally just saying something like "let god sort them out" i.e. kill both of them and don't worry about it. But Equinox is god.

[Akarin]

gun to head I think Pooky is less likely to just totally fold as scum which means Jake is probably more likely but scum Pooky would have basically had town sitting on his neck all game so I'm also not very confident in his ability NOT to fold in this game in particular

For an example of Pooky folding as scum, see the recently completed Equinox dance, end of Pre-Dance phase. (Really everything after Isis made it clear she wasn't dancing with Pooky I think.)

I can't decide if this is the same thing. Kind of think it's not but should give it more time.

[Akarin]

hm I am happy to explain either of these, sorry if I lose us the game

You're really still worried about that losing the game?

[Akarin]

just drink the damn wine and vote whatever your drunk self feels like

Last time I posted in a mafia game tipsy I think I actually had really good reads, maybe this isn't the worst plan.

[Akarin]

think Jake's little tantrum about being universally scumread looks sincere. it's a pretty ridiculous strat for solo scum to take rather than just, you know, doing the things we're asking Jake to do in an effort to look like town.

I think it's sincere too, btw. I'm just not convinced that sincerity couldn't come from

scum

being universally scumread in this situation.