Mini 653 - Family Guy Mafia - Game over

[reborn537]

I don't know about TT, but Kloud is voting for you, and LF has been pushing your lynch for ages.

[Xtoxm]

Did someone just talk to me?

...No, no there was nothing...

[reborn537]

lol... I thought I'd stop encountering that kind of thing 9 years ago, when I hit 10 years old.

[Rockatansky]

Did someone just talk to me?

...No, no there was nothing...

It's like I'm playing with an anchor around my neck.

That being said, his behavior today is classic town meltdown.

[Xtoxm]

I want BG back.

[Save The Dragons]

It's classic avoidance. He had his chance to speak to me about what I want to talk about (he still does, mind you, and I might take my vote off of him if he can convince me).

However, since he's proving that he's going to be nothing more than dead weight and a pain in the ass instead of trying to play the game, I'm getting more and more happy with my vote.

[Save The Dragons]

I want BG back.

I want Xtoxm back.

[Rockatansky]

I want BG back.

And if wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak tonight

[reborn537]

If someone can just explain why he's not name claiming, I might rescind my vote! That said, his behaviour since me asking him to do that has just been... bad.

[Xtoxm]

And

what

is it you want to talk about, exactly???

[elvis_knits]

If someone can just explain why he's not name claiming, I might rescind my vote! That said, his behaviour since me asking him to do that has just been... bad.

The way I see it is that you think when he claimed BG's lover he should have claimed his name. You think that scum might not have character names or safe claims.

I don't think that he should have necessarily claimed his role name when he claimed BG's lover.

You should be asking him to claim if you think he's scummy. You shouldn't be thinking he's scummy for not name claiming.

[Xtoxm]

Thankyou Elvis...

[Save The Dragons]

Here's two reasons:

Xtoxm is suspicious for suggesting to lynch LlamaFluff on page 3ish or whatever as opposed to later, though. While I find his ideas to be correct, his timing is suspect.

And:

Your case on E_K consists of not liking dalt, who flaked, bandwagoning you + one statement by E_K.

I am definitely not a fan of xtoxm's flavor of the week voting style (are you going to vote me again if I say that there's 3 points against you now?). It seriously is starting to seem like he's throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.

His case against me was non-existent.
His case against E_K was weak at best.
His case against reborn does not even try to include everything that has happened before page 35.

Explain.

[hasdgfas]

Sorry all, had no internet access in Vermont yesterday.

The "I don't watch Family Guy so you don't get a quote" vote count:

thinktank 2 vote: (Rockatansky, LlamaFluff)
Elvis Knits 2 vote: (Inspector Godot, GhostWriter)
RestFermata 1 vote: (Elvis_Knit)
Rockatansky 1 vote: (thinktank)
reborn537 1 vote: (xtoxm)
Xtoxm 3 vote: (reborn537, kloud1516, Save The Dragons)

Not voting:

Kmd4390
RestFermata

With 12 people it take 7 votes for lynch
Day 1 ends Sept 3rd 4:00pm PST.

[Xtoxm]

You're first quote I have gone over countless times, look back.

I might not have presented a case against you as such, but that doesn't mean I don't find you scummy. And it's mostly a case of finding lots of people town looking.

I've explained the EK thing. And apart from anything, i've changed my mind on her.

Also the way he's like "I've decided, lover lynch is bad" then starts voting me and trying to force me to claim out of nowhere. And as with the EK thing, often scum are given away by one small thing, rather than consistent scumminess.

[Save The Dragons]

I did not say careless = scum, I say if you were town, you had been careless.

Well, scum knowing you can't vote is very bad, be you town.

Consider this: 8 players alive, 3 scum, 5 townies, you are one of them. Town cannot lynch scum. Scum have won by this point.

So even if you are telling the truth, you are still useful to get rid off, anf lyncing will be the only way, as you have such an anti-town role. And, we might get scum.

The point is, that his presence moves the day we reach lylo forward by an entire day. So there is absolutley nothing lost in lynching him, and a very high potential gain (scum day one), and I found his claiming the role suspicious, because a voteless shouldn't want to get his role out there, however a scum with that role, or even that fakeclaim, WOULD want to.

You have stated "we might get scum" and much later that scum would come out and claim voteless before town would.

The phrase we might get scum seems like an after thought. From my point of veiw, it looked like you were attacking LF for being an unhelpful role before you were attacking him for being scum.

The other concern I have is that you directed your focus solely on him. Did you think anyone else was suspicious at the time?

Well, i'm just really getting the feel that she's scum.

On your second point, it's only one small thing rather consistent scummieness, that gives someone away. I've already said this already.

Comments like these seem like cop-outs to me. I want to know the meaning behind them. Is your case mostly just something general?

Just for the record, and I don't think you're thinking this, but I have no opinion one way or the other about your name claim.

Unvote

I think I've lost my head for a moment. I want to take some time to think, this game is confusing me. I don't see it necessary to lynch the lover pair right now.

Xtoxm, is there anything else about reborn that you think makes him suspicious?

[Xtoxm]

You have stated "we might get scum" and much later that scum would come out and claim voteless before town would.

The phrase we might get scum seems like an after thought. From my point of veiw, it looked like you were attacking LF for being an unhelpful role before you were attacking him for being scum.

I was. Perhaps i'm too used to playing elsewhere, where that kind of a claim would get you lynched, just for claiming it.

The other concern I have is that you directed your focus solely on him. Did you think anyone else was suspicious at the time?

At the start I did yes, but as you can see, I moved onto other people.

Comments like these seem like cop-outs to me. I want to know the meaning behind them. Is your case mostly just something general?

I missed the word "sometimes" from what you quoted off me.

What do you mean when you say case being something general? I don't really understand.

Just for the record, and I don't think you're thinking this, but I have no opinion one way or the other about your name claim.

Ok, good.

Xtoxm, is there anything else about reborn that you think makes him suspicious?

Well there's the claim changing thing, that's never really good (unless it was an intended fakeclaim, which it wasn't), but other than that not much comes to mind.

Also, as a side note - I am pretty certain that all characters in this game will be from Family Guy, no-one from other places. If it was, I really would be very surprised.

[Kmd4390]

KMD, who do you think is scum?

I think one of the lovers (probably BG's replacement) is scum because of setup reasons and the scummy play (bandwagoning, restating reasoning, early claim).

I think one of the lurkers or possibly some one who hasn't been looked at much is probably scum.

I'm hesitant to look at any claimed power roles right now. They could be scum but aren't the correct course of action today.

I'd approve of an EK lynch today, maybe a TT lynch if it comes down to it, and a no lynch wouldn't be terrible.

Unvote Vote Reborn

Was there an actual point to this?

I'll read the next 3 pages later. Something just came up.

[Xtoxm]

I think one of the lovers (probably BG's replacement) is scum because of setup reasons and the scummy play (bandwagoning, restating reasoning, early claim).

No. I was starting to possibly think that when she lurked, but no. I am quite confident she is town. And I am town. So we are both town, and this makes us a very bad lynch.

I approve of neither EK nor TT lynch.

Well, maybe TT if it came to it, as a self preservation thing. But it wouldn't be my choice.

[Xtoxm]

Oh, and setup reasons? Do you want me to point you in the direction of games that have had both pro-town lovers?

That's really crap.

[Save The Dragons]

I missed the word "sometimes" from what you quoted off me.

Actually, could you do me a favor and rewrite the quote including any omitted words? I think it may have a different meaning than I thought it did, and it would affect the answer to your question:

What do you mean when you say case being something general? I don't really understand.

[Xtoxm]

On your second point, it's sometimes only one small thing rather consistent scummieness, that gives someone away. I've said this already.

That looks better.

[Xtoxm]

Oh wait, no.

On your second point, it's sometimes only one small thing rather than consistent scummieness, that gives someone away. I've said this already.

Lol.

[Save The Dragons]

Are you saying sometimes it's one small thing rather "than" consistent scuminess?

[Xtoxm]

Yeh, beat you to it