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[Andresvmb]

saccing oneself to get ur other 2 buddies into lylo is always a good strat if you have them setup. like look, we seriously dont know who mark's partners feasibly could be other than maybe andres

I pushed Mark in the early part of the game pretty consistently because they kept going after you. Unless you thought all of that was distancing, you should go back and look at that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, I caught up from where I came in last time until now.

There's something weird going in between Andres, Infinity, and VPB. I would bet on there being scum in there somewhere.

Least Likely to Most Likely:
VPB
Andres
Infinity

I sensed that Infinity play earlier, but maybe Andres set that up. I'm not sure. I might be underestimating Andres ability, and if so, I think he could manipulate incredibly well. Something about the way he's posting makes me feel that way, especially now that I look at his greeting towards me could have been a pocket attempt.

I just get this weird sense of newbie yet experienced in Andres, and I played with him over a year ago, so I know he's decently capable, and I know his join date is deceiving, I just think there's a chance Andres is playing a solid scum game, picking up good gamestate control, if that makes sense.

Like when I look back at the way he greeted me, in conjunction to how he's been pushing, and the fact that I naturally scum read Infinity, I think Andres being scum would have helped the gamestate get to a position where Infinity would have been a strong wagon.

I was thinking of voting Infinity, which I believe would pick up at least 1 more vote, maybe more, so I can see that Infinity could have gained momentum.

Hmm, more stuff i was leaning against VP.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm also seeing a possible DGB/DKK pairing, which could explain why DGB went on to Gera here, as that's a wagon that could gain steam, and I feel like Dkk is likely the scummiest, most likely to get momentum on them as either alignment coming up, so if DGB senses that too, and is partners with Dkk, Gera push is incredibly strong, especially because DGB couldn't stay on me due to if they are scum, them having to do a hell of a lot of work on Day 1 to fight because of circular reasoning.

a theory, though. If they are the scum team, that is what is happening right now.

Fuck

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

Marky Mark could be smooth scum, smooth enough where I probably wouldn't vote them out Day 1.

Dkk-Marky could be Dkk scum making it look like they're doing something with MarkyMark, which distracts a townMarky.

Or ScumMarky could be playing with DkScum.

I don't think I see that as S/S anywhere. Could be T/T if I'm just off the mark.

I'm trying to find scum right now, so I might be seeing things that aren't there regarding the gamestate, but that's fine for Day 1, I feel.

PEdit:
Interesting Dkk is trying to stop the discussion on that now.

I kind of want Marky to be scum here because his posts look so smooth if he is.

I don't even know what to say to this - this is kinda like reverse pocketing I guess?!

If you are scum, I am forcing myself into your pocket so you have to be aware of me, so yes. Reverse pocketing is a good term.

?!

If you are scum, I want it to be known that this is what I will consider the moment I caught you. The double punctuation.

I’m starting to make sense of it all.

[DkKoba]

I cant quote exactly what i sent but i can paraphrase. I'll do so after i sleep

[DrippingGoofball]

Are you pocketing me and trying to get DGB to go after me?

i consider this VP claiming scum

[VP Baltar]

Are you pocketing me and trying to get DGB to go after me?

No. I was trying to figure out where DGB stood on you then. It felt odd to me to see her say you were feeling better but then to still be voting you.

[VP Baltar]

I'm also seeing a possible DGB/DKK pairing, which could explain why DGB went on to Gera here, as that's a wagon that could gain steam, and I feel like Dkk is likely the scummiest, most likely to get momentum on them as either alignment coming up, so if DGB senses that too, and is partners with Dkk, Gera push is incredibly strong, especially because DGB couldn't stay on me due to if they are scum, them having to do a hell of a lot of work on Day 1 to fight because of circular reasoning.

a theory, though. If they are the scum team, that is what is happening right now.

Fuck

This realization was in real time, correct? (The original I mean). You weren't thinking this over N1?

[VP Baltar]

Are you pocketing me and trying to get DGB to go after me?

i consider this VP claiming scum

If you considered that, wouldn't you have been calling me scum since D1 or whenever that post was from?

[DrippingGoofball]

I dunno, maybe

[VP Baltar]

I dunno, maybe

There is a lot of uncertainty from you in this game that I find uncharacteristic. Other than predicting town flips after you push on people of course. :/


I was thinking about the game state as I was falling asleep last night, and part of me thinks flipping mark here is the higher reward play. If he flips scum, we essentially get two players who are confirmed town going into the night. That is two kills scum have to make over the next two nights, which should hopefully give us enough time to figure out buddies.

I will say that I find FL's Andres theory very complex. I want to reread all of today again, since it was around midnight when I was catching up and I may have missed some of the subtlety. But overall it felt like andres-mark is a complex scum combination, as opposed to something like mark-dgb-???, which feels more traditional. Also, andres' anger feels fairly genuine here, if a bit erratic at the start of the day

[DrippingGoofball]

There are four people in the game that I am absolutely certain are town.

I have been certain that Marky is scum for days.

I pushed geranium but never said he'd flip town.

I townread Tayl0r a lot yesterday.

Andres-Mark combo is ridiculous since Andres is town.

Mark- DGB? You got to be kidding.

But thanks for claiming scum once again with garbage player pairs drowning townies along with your scumpal Mark.

[DrippingGoofball]

Fair warning, anyone shading the town blok is auto scum.

[VP Baltar]

Mark- DGB? You got to be kidding.

I am indeed not kidding

[VP Baltar]

I townread Tayl0r a lot yesterday.

Yes, after she was pushed to L-1 a couple times and it seemed like a good flip for the day. I mean, I know I was getting played by the scum yesterday, so it's got to be someone.

[Not_Mafia]

i wouldnt be surprised if ur being roleblocked btw @FL the angle that andres is taking here is very confident

I can confirm this is not the case

[Not_Mafia]

Taylor was obvtown

[Not_Mafia]

Still want VP

[VP Baltar]

Still want VP

you mean today?

[Not_Mafia]

Yup

[VP Baltar]

Yup

The most yikes take. I'm assuming you haven't read today?

[Not_Mafia]

I am saving 13 pages for later

[VP Baltar]

I am saving 13 pages for later

Ok. Well it is Mark or Koba today due to claims. Let us know your thoughts when you're caught up

[DrippingGoofball]

I townread Tayl0r a lot yesterday.

Yes, after she was pushed to L-1 a couple times and it seemed like a good flip for the day. I mean, I know I was getting played by the scum yesterday, so it's got to be someone.

Her response to the end wagon bled town.

[Marky Mark]

Good evening all, I am home from work and have caught up with the flurry of pages from overnight

Let's start with the key thing - DK is straight-up lying. They've claimed Simple Mailman, whereas they are in fact a Multitasking Mailman. We can debate their motives for targetting DGB all day - I suspect they may have thought I was a normal watcher or voyeur rather than a Role Watcher, which would have made them look towny as I would have just seen them mailing DGB.

FYPOV either DK or me is lying and therefore scum - it's that black or white. There is no point looking elsewhere for an elim (eg N_M's current vote on VP )

I will be pleasantly surprised if not faded today but if you look at this objectively it ought to be pretty clear that I'm town here and I'll try to lay out the case for this, so let's not rush a wagon through. Be careful not to let DK lolhammer me either as when I flip green she will be confscum anyways

-- pedit VP beat me to the point I was trying to make