The Bulge's Large Normal Review, October 2020
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I think schadd_ some concerns regarding the setup's balance/interactions that haven't been resolved and then we got sidetracked on whether the double traitors knowing that they are scum together or not. This is just a recap of where we are in the review.-
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- you would have a nearly impossible time selling me on two UBs being normal - scum are punished if they kill a good PR first, this makes people very very upset in post game
- i'm fine with traitors not knowing about each other, though i will be paying attention to your role PMs that the wording couldn't be parsed as ruling out other traitors. something i don't know if i ever voiced is that i think the neighborhood would be very fun and i'm interested to see how it goes
- support gating the gunsmith. though i would be really uneasy from bulletproofing it, i don't think gating the protective as well is necessary because of the roleblocker (i think setups where a certain member of the scumteam must be kept alive are good, and i think this is more actionable for the scumteam in a large game - maybe informing the one or both of the traitors that "x is a mafia roleblocker" is worthwhile)
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you could soften the weirdness of the traitor thing further by letting one of them know that there's another traitor-
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double UB was probably the "concept" I cared least about here, so I'm fine scrapping it to allow for more design space, and you have a very fair point.In post 29, schadd_ wrote:you would have a nearly impossible time selling me on two UBs being normal - scum are punished if they kill a good PR first, this makes people very very upset in post game
I will get going on the PMs in the next few days.i'm fine with traitors not knowing about each other, though i will be paying attention to your role PMs that the wording couldn't be parsed as ruling out other traitors. something i don't know if i ever voiced is that i think the neighborhood would be very fun and i'm interested to see how it goes
I really really really like the idea of informing each traitor of a different groupscum's role. This gives them another more tangible reward for solving each other.here is a setup i would be down with:
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BP Miller is fine.
Already said I like even/odd for gating the gunsmith so this is good.
I think the Babysitter has to be Lazy or else 3p limlo could end in a draw with a miselim and probably a mess of other potential end-phase fuckery.
I still like the vig having 3 shots with just a singular UB but that can be tweaked if we feel the need.
Odd-night JK is fine but I'll see if there's something else I'd prefer. What's your reasoning on that?-
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tangible reward for solving each other: sure, although not having to perform in the neighborhood anymore is sweet (imagining a world where they spend the whole game having like a vibrant conversation trying to buddy the other one and then they both roar out in agony once they find out what the situation is)
lazy babysiter: ok!
3 shot vig + UB: yeah that's all well and good, vig is one of those roles that's friends with UB since there isn't really any info loss when the role transfers from one person to the next
why jk: i like jail keepr-
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I wouldn't say they areIn post 34, The Bulge wrote:Are the "Assuming no interference with your action" clauses in the sample wiki Pms necessary?required, but I would highly recommend it so that players fully understand that their role is not guaranteed to work.
Shots are never refunded when blocked.In post 36, The Bulge wrote:should the vig have shots returned if blocked?
The UB--> New Role flip is fairly typical.In post 37, The Bulge wrote:if the UB inherits a new role, do they flip "UB->new role" or just the new role?-
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ope sorry
interested why theres the three asterisks in the babysitter PM
"The full members of the Mafia are xxxxxx." <- this bugs me, when i read that i interpret it like "the full list of members of the mafia team are ...". honestly i think "the non-traitor members of the mafia team" would be fine - we had been worried about that communicating "there is another traitor" but i think someone would just assume that means "the team not including you"-
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In post 33, The Bulge wrote:should the babysitter protect from all kill attempts or only one per night? I personally would rather the former.-
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mafiawiki says one kill-
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