Open 87 - Baby Too Much Scum - Over before 641

[Goatrevolt]

Goat, my point is that given any player as SK, I could probably come up with a reason for them to kill IAUN. There's no way to ascribe a given reason to a specific kill barring in end game scenarios.

Yes, you could come up with reasons, but some reasons simply make more sense than others. Someone who is highly suspected has less motivation to kill another highly suspected player because it puts them more in the spotlight. Sure, it's possible that player killed IAUN anyway for other reasons, but I simply find it less likely.

Thoughts on what I said about the FBI agent? The reason we want the FBI Agent to claim is to clear 2 people of being the SK. A better alternative is to have the FBI Agent only claim if one of those 2 people is going to be the lynch. That way, if we lynch mafia but not SK today, we still have a chance of the SK hitting mafia tonight.

[Crazy]

I don't think a full-out claim of an FBI Agent is necessary just yet, since I've just shown that it's not entirely necessary to lynch the SK today.

I propose that we do a hypo-FBI, where everyone just posts whom they "investigated" and got an innocent result on. The real FBI agent can then post his real result. Don't claim guilty, because if the real FBI agent got a guilty, he'd just claim immediately.

Then if the FBI agent is killed tonight, we at least know one target that isn't the SK.

[Crazy]

Oh, and I think it's entirely plausible that the SK killed Username just because they thought he was scum.

[Goatrevolt]

I think the hypo-FBI claim is a good idea.

Oh, and I think it's entirely plausible that the SK killed Username just because they thought he was scum.

That is certainly possible. I would assume they would go for the FBI agent, but you may have a point.

[armlx]

Crazy basically proves my point.

Hypo-cop is probably a valid strategy here.

[farside22]

FYI: I will be on V/LA from Aug 30 - Sept 1st. I will check to see if anyone needs to be prodded and have a vote count up before I leave.

[Mencellator]

I definitely agree with Crazy's idea, and also with Goat's improvement on the FBI claiming business.

[armlx]

I definitely agree with Crazy's idea, and also with Goat's improvement on the FBI claiming business.

This.

[farside22]

The maid reads here notes. Can that be right?

vote count:

not voting:

Mencellator
Goatrevolt
Grimmy
Crazy
armlx
skitzer

Prodding Grimmy and Skitzer.

[Grimmy]

Sorry
thought I had voted

I still think Crazy is suspicious, so

Vote: Crazy

same reasons as last time. Still seem scummy to me

[Crazy]

Anyone opposed to a hypo-FBI?

[armlx]

Definitely not Crazy.

[armlx]

EBWODP: Lets make that more clear.

I am definitely not opposed to a hypo claim.

[Grimmy]

im ok with a hypo claim

[skitzer]

sorry, will cathc up on this when I find suitable time. This has happened in many of my games and I'm bogged down.

[farside22]

Alright you guys seem to be fine at this moment. I will be on V/LA from 08/30 - 09/01. Good luck and if you run into a problem in my absense Thesp knows all.

[armlx]

This game is due for a reread. I'm going to get around to it within the next week.

[skitzer]

Brief read #1

Two of the three votes on me (OMGL) were for him lurking. As he disappeared, and was replaced, that leaves me with one vote for a reason other than lurking.

Crazy's vote.

Now I need to try to figure out why OMGL voted the way he did.

Time for further reading.

Grimmy
will update as he goes.

The bolded line seems really fishy to me.

So, Grimmy, is what you are saying that you think Oman + Goat = Mafia and Crazy = SK, or do you think there is another reasoning for the distancing argument?

I doubt Grimmy was trying to portray this here, and it seems like you want someone to find all three in just one big clump, which would be nice, but it isn't possible.

Keeping my vote on Grimmy won't do any good. He can't explain for OGML.

And what's wrong with FoSing people? I'll vote for one of them if you like;

it doesn't really make a difference to me.[/

quote]

Bold is suspicious. Especially whne armlx just called you out for little reasoning.

I completely disagree with almost the entirety of what Grimmy said. I would say this game is not at all going to play out like town v. town. The town wants to lynch scum, the SK and mafia both do not care who gets lynched as long as it's not them. Those are two completely different motivations for actions and thus we will be still be able to determine who is scum based on their actions. Is the scum going to try to blend in as town, of course. It's the same as any other mafia game. Trying to paint this game as a completely different form of mafia and then use it as a basis to toss suspicion around is enough for me to

FoS Grimmy

.

I'm still happy with my vote on Iamusername, and would also

support switching to Sktizer if others wanted to go that way

. Grimmy/OGML as of yet hasn't said enough for me to be willing to lynch him.

If you are a townie, than you should be thinking independently in addition to hearing others out.

What makes my vote look like self-preservation? Why wouldn't I be interested in self-preservation, as a town player?

Self preservation is #2 to townies compared to finding scum. I'm not seeing finding scum reasoning behind your vote, so it must be #2. And self preservation happens to be the #1 scum priority....

QFT. Eventhough iamusername is dead, it's still a rule of townieness.

The hypo claim is fine, except for one thing, if the Agent investigated iamusername.

[Crazy]

Bold is suspicious. Especially whne armlx just called you out for little reasoning.

He didn't call me out for little reasoning. I believe he called me out for FoSing without putting my vote on someone. I didn't really care whether I had my vote on someone or not, so if someone wants me to, I will.

The hypo claim is fine, except for one thing, if the Agent investigated iamusername.

Well, we can't know if he did or not.

[armlx]

I doubt Grimmy was trying to portray this here, and it seems like you want someone to find all three in just one big clump, which would be nice, but it isn't possible.

If I remember correctly, my point was that Grimmy had said 3 people were suspicious with a distancing argument in part, and I wanted to see whether upon further scrutiny he actually believed that.

The hypo claim is fine, except for one thing, if the Agent investigated iamusername.

Your point?

[Mencellator]

The hypo claim is fine, except for one thing, if the Agent investigated iamusername.

If we do a hypo-claim, we do it by claiming we checked anyone out of the set of people we could have investigated, including iamausername. That would work fine.
So, there's a 1/6 chance that FBI actually checked iamausername if it was random. But iamausername is special, as he's dead, so because of human psychology he probably won't get the fair 1/6 representation in the hypo-claims. I suggest we each use a random number generator to determine whether we hypo-claim iamausername or not, do it with probability 1/6. But then after doing that, just claim whoever you think you would have checked night one as FBI.

[armlx]

I'm posting this in all my games. My computer power cord just broke again, same issue as last time. I'm going to be on LA for a week or two while I wait for a new one to arrive.

[Grimmy]

I think at this point in the game, it is safer to assume that the FBI agent really did either investiagte Iam, or found someone innocent, and doesnt want to reveal so they do not out themselves needlessly.

That said, when do we start the hypocop?

(I would, but im still not totally clear on what it is and what we have to do)

grimmy

[Crazy]

Mencellator, a random generator will not work. We'd have to pick someone we were at least likely to investigate last night, or we'll be helping the SK find out who the real FBI Agent is.

When we claim, just post who you "investigated" last night and got an innocent result on. Don't claim to have a guilty result on anyone, because that would be stupid.

I think I'm good with a random order of claims.

1. Mencellator
2. Goat
3. Grimmy
4. Me
5. Armlx
6. Skitzer

Original Roll String: 1d6

1 6-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

[Crazy]

Grimmy, you claim first.