Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

My PoE is down to 4
If you’re town, making that clear puts the game in auto for me

[Not_Mafia]

yea im sure the mod was thinking hmm the town looks kinda powered up - let me nerf the neopolitian by adding another PR...

Not what I said, I’m just saying you have to bear that in mind for balance

[Gamma Emerald]

yea im sure the mod was thinking hmm the town looks kinda powered up - let me nerf the neopolitian by adding another PR...

so every1 believes we had an IC, Neo, Checker who could be confirmed, neighbors and Jailkeeper too

w i l d

IC Checker and Neap are conf’ed
If Bulge’s role isn’t town the role to interact with checker is a scum role which imo scumsides the setup
Neighbors are conf to exist unless you think me and Blitzo are insane enough to interact with each other the way we have all game, though a scum-town hood isn’t out of the question
Everyone has claimed at this point so unless you can SOMEHOW explain why 2 goons + unknown tracking/blocking scum role doesn’t overpower a town with an IC, Neap, Checker and either a T-T or T-S hood I’m not limming Bulge ever

It’s also pretty telling who is trying to deny Bulge’s conftown status.

[Thestatusquo]

I don't like to admit to being wrong on the bulge but I think I'm wrong on the bulge. If he beat me with a gambit he beat me with a gambit, but the logic on the setup not making sense without the role seems sound to me.

That gives me a scum team of blitzo/gamma + NM + Pooky, with the first slot way more likely to be town blitzo scum gamma than the other way around imo.

Probably willing to elim in N_M or pooky today but could be convinced on gamma if that's where town ends up needing my vote, but I'd much rather lim in the first two which I think are locked scum slots.

The only thing that doesn't fit with that is I don't understand why gamma would be hard selling bulge as town if gamma was scum. That's the only piece of the puzzle that makes me want to lean blitzo as the last scum over gamma.

[Not_Mafia]

Cool let's do Blitzo

[Thestatusquo]

you are an incredibly frustrating human being.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm a cow

[Gamma Emerald]

This game probably gets my full attention soon. No guarantee if or when but I can feel it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i find it hilarious that everyone apparently thinks this game makes sense with a jailkeeper lulz

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so this is 10-3 with 3 tprs that can conf innocents? really ? :3

[Gamma Emerald]

We don’t know scum power though
Although I’m guessing they’re quite weak given recent developments

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you guys want to live in fantasy land where this game is near lockwin on d4 despite hitting 0 scum then feel free to believe bulge

its p obv bulge knew he was going to get pushed hard today cuz outworld will flip so he did a nokill into prot gambit because he knows a protective makes 0 sense in this setup.

[Gamma Emerald]

A lack of any town blocking/tracking role also makes no sense

[Blitzo]

A lack of any town blocking/tracking role also makes no sense

Does it, though?
Someone walk me through the setup again because I don't get it. Again I'll admit that I'm not good at solving setups but I'd really like this spelled out for me please.

[Kasumeat]

Will post more tomorrow when I have time, but for now phone posting. Bulge and OW, who are your preferred lims today? I would prefer Shae or Gamma or NM. I just hate everything about how Shae has handled Bulge's claim. And I still hate Gamma's earlier posts that look like has scum slips, even if I haven't hated him as much lately.

NM can go too but would be my third choice compared with the others who are actively scummier. Well, given that it's NM. One thing that actually gives me a sr is that IIRC he tends to prefer weirder choices for the NK.

Pooky I actually like more and more given how he's handled Bulge's claim. I don't think scum typically have the courage to try to dispute the claim here. See: Bulge's push on OW after the claim, and Bulge's point about scum being more likely to believe OW's claim which I think applies here too for the same reasons.

Blitzo I'm a town on and would be my last acceptable choice. Limming Bulge is off the table for at least the Day given that he's almost a lock for the NK if he's town.

[Gamma Emerald]

And I still hate Gamma's earlier posts that look like has scum slips

What the actual fuck? No word in “his scum slips” sounds okay to me. What the hell are you talking about?

[Blitzo]

I'm actually sort of confused by that as well and would like an explanation.

[Kasumeat]

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[Gamma Emerald]

So I “scum slipped” by thinking MCat’s Pooky case sounded decent and seeing Noraa’s claim for what it was? How are those slips at all? I could see you calling that scummy nothing was “slipped” in the slightest.
I was not convinced MCat was scum before his lim, so the fact I treated him like he could be town means nothing. Obviously if MCat flipped scum I would have to take the case with a grain of salt.
As for Noraa’s claim, I had seen her get cold feet on fakeclaiming PR as VT in another game so I understood how her signals on softing could be a little wonky. And despite me making it clear I had a high bar for the claim, she claimed a super weak role. That is not a move I see newbscum doing. And you were in that game where Tywin Lannister screwed up his PR claim, so why the hell couldn't you see that Noraa was making the exact same mistakes as he was?

[Blitzo]

Yeah that case is mediocre.

[The Bulge]

gamma explain yourself in next post.

Alright
So I had an inkling we had one more town PR in the setup, but I also felt like even with what I felt might fit the town could feel underpowered. I also thought scum might have a tracker based on Noraa’s flip and UG being NKed N2. This was also the one role I felt like OWER could be as scum that would merit the next-day IC claim (or another investigation role but the speculation leaned to tracker with Noraa’s flip). What I wanted to do was have the real PR claim and then try to suggest town might be underpowered still to bait a PR claim from scum, hopefully trying to true claim the role I suspected they had, and I could slam them with my setup speculation. Blitzo can back me up on this.
Now that I have seen Bulge’s claim, I’m less convinced about my speculation. I could still be right, but Bulge’s role literally perfectly explains the existence of Noraa’s role by itself as a potential town confirmation, so there’s less reason to think Noraa’s role existed to be a false tracker positive.

I think this effectively addresses the eccentricities of my desire to massclaim D3.

this is fair and i think gamma is town atm

[The Bulge]

I'll get to this later tn, I just realized i had that open in a tab and never submitted.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Kasumeat before I proceed, what is your reason for playing mafia?

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