Open 86 - Lovers Multiball (Game Over)

[Knight of Cydonia]

It's a fair point there HP, but it's not as scummy as OF is striking me right now.

[ThAdmiral]

RR - it's just an eye, blinking.

It's the blinking part that gets me, the constant movement on the side of the screen is really annoying when I'm trying to read. Maybe it's just me.

It's not just you.

[sekinj]

there's an all seeing eye watching you

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.::] Vote Count [::.

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OpposedForce (4)

- Adel, Crazy, Knight of Cydonia, neko2086

kloud1516 (2)

- ThAdmiral, Erratus Apathos

Cerebus3 (1)

- SleepyPanda

Crazy (1)

- OpposedForce

somestrangeflea (1)

- charter

pwnz (1)

- Alabaska J

Knight of Cydonia (1)

- pwnz

Harvey Pew (1)

- Raging Rabbit

Not Voting (10) - sekinj, somestrangeflea, Harvey Pew, DarlaBlueEyes, Cephrir, cerebus3, armlx, WaltWishbone, wolframnhart, kloud1516

Twelve

votes to lynch.

wolframnhart has asked to be replaced.

[Adel]

nine people need to vote. 38 pages is more than enough information to base a decision off of.

[WaltWishbone]

I'm not ready to vote, I need to re-read some stuff. I realize we have a lot of players and it will take quite a few votes to lynch, however considering how quickly a few of the bandwagons have moved I would not want to see a lynch before I have a chance to unvote. This is not quite as easy as day one with fire/ice/op in my opinion. There have been some very intriguing posts over the weekend and I need to reconsider my LoS a bit.

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Darox replaces wolframnhart.
And...
Cephrir, Alabaska J and kloud1516 have been prodded.

[Darox]

So far my reread has informed me that the person I replaced has claimed their lover.

Up to page 23, will post more soon.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Thank god for that. I expect some bloody good posting from you Darox, you got a lot of crap, mostly from your lover, to explain.

[Raging Rabbit]

Also, RR, I don't believe my reading of your case is a "extreme misrep". The basis of your argument, not the mis-readings you add after quoting me, is that I have lurked and voted for someone other than "IcePenguin."

Way to strawman my argument. Not being on the lynching wagon clearly isn't a tell by itself, what gets to me is the way you mysterioiusly forgot about Fire and then went for Crazy because "his mistake seemed worse", without explaining why. It's the way you defended Ice, not the fact that you did so. cere, on the other hand, defended Iceman while trying to both vote Crazy and appear to have doubts about him, and then went for a passive bus on Iceman.

1. What made you suddenly decide your Firestarter vote was "really weak"?
2. Why did you take Ice's mistake as "confusion", while Crazy saying that he didn't intentionally make anything up is "a terrible lie"?

It's also funny how you said that lurking and not voting (read: defending in a very scummy manner) Fire & Ice are the only things I have on you and my case is thus no good, because you lurked so much that said things are essentialy

all you've done

.


I don't think some formula about who was on which wagon is gonna achieve anything, way too many variables for it to be anything but a tower of WIFOM cards.


armlx, what worries me is that any useful info in these reread posts will go to waste because no one's gonna bother paying attention to page 8 relevant opinions. I'd be completely ok with this if you'll do a full recap of everything you still think is relevant once you're finished.

[Cephrir]

Prodded. RL is eating me.

[armlx]

armlx, what worries me is that any useful info in these reread posts will go to waste because no one's gonna bother paying attention to page 8 relevant opinions. I'd be completely ok with this if you'll do a full recap of everything you still think is relevant once you're finished.

Umm, why does that matter? Everything I think is relevant will be there.

[Raging Rabbit]

'Cause that way we won't have to sort through all the things you thought were relevant on page 8 and aren't anymore.

[Alabaska J]

Sorry school has started up I guess I forgot about this one.

[Alabaska J]

I like the case on Opposed Force now than I did before. I don't really think there is much of a case on cere; he seems to be defending himself pretty well against RR's attacks, and I can't see anything wrong with either of their posts in this back and forth.

My vote is doing nothing, so

unvote

for now.

[armlx]

'Cause that way we won't have to sort through all the things you thought were relevant on page 8 and aren't anymore.

If I feel something became irrelevant, a later point of mine should make that clear. I still don't see why you are adverse to more information/input from me.

[Crazy]

^What armlx said.

OF has been acting really scummy since I voted him, but the main reason for my vote is that one post of his that accused me of assuming Adel was town based on the scum-tell. He claimed to not know what the scum-tell was, so how would he even know whether it would prove someone's towniness or not? Thus, his case was a pointless bandwagon vote. Hence my vote on him.

[Darox]

First impressions from my reread put Crazy as most scummy.

I'll write up about Crazy as well as some other people when I get time.

In the mean time feel free to ask me questions.

[Crazy]

Darox, I would like very much for you to paraphrase your daytalk.

[Raging Rabbit]

armlx - I just thought said input would be far easier to read and thus probably more valuable if you'll make it easier for us seperate the outdated stuff, but do whatever you want.

[Alabaska J]

Darox, I would like very much for you to paraphrase your daytalk.

I dislike how you are acting like a confirmed townie with such brazen statements. I think you are pro-town personally, but you are in no position to call for things like that.

Erm, Darox replaced wolf. Gotcha. But still, I don't like how you are being so cavalier here.

[Darox]

Darox, I would like very much for you to paraphrase your daytalk.

I would be more than willing to do this once my lover has agreed to it and someone I don't think is scum wants to know.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Do you think I'm scum as well then Darox?
Why do you find my honey-bubble scummy? [/gooey-eyes]

[SleepyPanda]

Finished catching up. I'm going to be addressing several people, so if I quote a post by you, I'm probably talking to you there.

I've read RR's case against Cerebus and his subsequent defense to it. I'm still not completely satisfied. Cerebus seems more interested in defending himself than doing anything else, and he don't even have the most votes on him. I saw that he was going to do a reread, so still looking forward to that.

Or adel is making it up completely, and you are running with it to buddy up to her.

Here he completely ignores that Iceman claimed to know the scumtell as well. If he really thought the scumtell was completely made up, why defend Iceman instead if treating him with the same amount of doubt he treated Crazy with? Then later:

Here, RR seems to think that my argument is tied to IcemanE, which it is not. I never said IcemanE would not be guilty of this as well if the scum-tell turned out to be a sham, but just because I am lazy, can you please show me where IcemanE says that he knows what the scum tell is? I remember him speculating that it would probably have something to do with voting patterns, but I don't think he ever said that he knew for a fact what it is.

How did you not know that ice also thought he knew the scumtell? That was the reason that started the whole discussion with Crazy and iceman arguing back and forth, which I believe is also when you voiced your opinion and said ice fit your town meta of him.

Harvey Pew...

I thought about point-by-point defence, but I don't see the need with such epic reaching. Essentially RR thinks I am scum because I haven't posted a lot, I voted incorrectly on the D1 lynch and posted the thinking behind my vote.

Ummm, what? This was the only thing you mentioned regarding your unvote of Fire:

Firstly, my Firestarter vote looks really weak. I apologise, I don't know what I read into your posts but I can't see it today:

unvote: Firestarter

I don't see how that explains much of anything. I thought you voted Fire because you and your lover decided so, but according to him, you haven't talked at all. Are you admitting that you hopped on a bandwagon for completely no reason?

@hp: I don't think you can take something like that back.

Sorry if I was unclear but the line I was taking back was "33% 27% 40% six off 22% two on 44% four on" which is meaningless without context

not

"you'd be better off scum-hunting in the nine lynchers than the rest."

The percentages are actually my thinking about that scum hunting. If there were no scum on the lynch then you should look in the non-voters, but there are two mafia factions and if the second faction put any weight into the lynch the percentages are about equal, and if the werewolves considered bussing its even better. Although I don't believe there was bussing, while one-on one-off would seem reasonable I'm not sure it would work as well in a lover game.

I don't know what the hell Adel is talking about. What exactly is he onto here? You're saying if no scum were on the Day 1 lynch, then the scum must be in non-voters (in addition to people who had votes that were not on iceman, I assume). Really. How did you ever figure that out? The two people with the most votes are OF and kloud (wolf). They both were not on the iceman lynch. What does that mean? Should we give up and start over? Iceman's wagon picked up pretty quickly, so scum could've stayed off and it wouldn't even matter. What difference does it make if we go after people who have been acting scummy instead? I also notice that you bring this up when both you and your lover aren't on the wagon. Quite convenient.

kloud we should have talked this over

not that your case is bad, but still

This is regarding kloud's post against pwnz. Why do you need to discuss it beforehand? If you are both town, how does voicing suspicions hurt?

That's about it for now. Will reread OF+wolf and some others after nap.

[Crazy]

Erm, Darox replaced wolf. Gotcha. But still, I don't like how you are being so cavalier here.

Why not?

I would be more than willing to do this once my lover has agreed to it and someone I don't think is scum wants to know.

You mean you need your scum-team to help you write it?

If something in there shouldn't be in the hands of scum, just censor it out.