There is no substitute for a clear, consisce argument, presented with proper analysis. It should be more than just throwing accusations of misrepresentation and faulty logic around. I realize now that perhaps my case on you, although there, is hard to see, and I want to present it to you, fully, with new material. My sentiment in these posts may seem hostile, and that is because I feel entitled to it because I do not appriciate it when people insult me. Although my join date says I'm over 4 years here, I've only been here off and on for about three years total, and I'm coming back from a long hiatus right now. I did not mean to lord my experience over you, since clearly I do not know what experience you have at other sites or in person. I should not have used that as an argument, and I apologize.
That said, I plan on tearing you a new one, argument style.
Here's what you've said about LlamaFluff's votes, and I wish I had said this earlier.
reborn wrote:1) Gob (for thinking of character claiming - this after ONE Cleveland quote I might add, and right before he full claims his role)
2) Xtoxm (let's face it, this is pretty OMGUS, although I'm not sure I like Xtoxmm that much myself)
3) Ghostwriter (post 100... trying to make sense of this... go and look back, I guarantee headache)
4) unvotes a couple of posts later (post 104, but who's counting?)
5) Back on goborage (basically because goborage was afk I think)
1. A vote in the random voting stage. I commend LF on having something to say instead of "Let me roll a die. It landed on 6. Clearly Steve is scum."
2. Xtoxm was suspicious, as you said.
3. I'll give you this one, I don't really know where he's going.
4. I think he was correcting a mistake he made, but he can speak for himself on this issue.
5. Yes, because goborage was his top suspect. Wow. He's going back to his original suspect.
My god, four votes? One of them in the random voting stage, so three total up to this point in the game? Can anyone legitimately tell me that four votes in 12 pages in a game is wishy-washy? Hell, I've voted more than four times in this game, even if you ignore Crub's votes. You accused him of wishywashy-ness, I say you're accusation is full of crap.
Your case is weakened even more when we revisit the point where Llama's vote does not count. Clearly, he does not have to follow any standards of voting, because his vote is merely a word. I know you did not like my pizza analogy, but it is correct, because in his situation, there's no difference. My question to you: How can you be wishywashy with votes if you don't even have one?
The other part of your case against LlamaFluff, where Llamafluff gets on Gob's case for the Cleveland incident,
LlamaFluffl wrote:I know I did. That was intentional for the reason of character claiming being bad. Was I 100% beyond a doubt sure that gobo had just fullclaimed? No of course not. The thing was he was being very careless with his role if he is Cleveland, and could of been trying to instigate a mass character claim. In this setup I view character claim as a bad thing, so I wanted to shut it down before it even started to begin. I dont understand why that is a bad thing to try and do.
reborn wrote:This is just so ridiculous. Even if I was Cleveland, how would saying "I'm Cleveland" be fullclaiming?! The amount of quotes flying around on Day 1 (evil monkey, anybody?) and you choose a Cleveland quote and then back it up with a misquote later on. You're trying to justify it with some irrelevent reasoning that makes you seem pro-town. I don't buy into Xtoxm's argument that we should lynch you because your ability is bad, but I still think you're a good play, because you're incredibly scummy.
I'm not sure how you can call his wanting to stop the claim from occuring to be ridiculous. Instead of arguing against his point, you suggested that the claiming of a character would trigger a fullclaim. Llamafluff is clearly suggesting that he does not think Gobo fullclaimed. I'm not sure you two meant the same thing when you said "full claim." I personally don't see how one character claim will instigate a mass character claim, but I also can't say that I know it would not.
You seem to think it's impossible for LF to have been confused. I think it's pretty impossible for him not to have been, the way he was going at it.
The difference between you and him is that in his mistakes and his playstyle, I believe he's actively going after people he thinks are scum.
I believe that you, however, are choosing to accuse him, back your case by something on the wiki, make light of his confusion, and finger him. This is why I wish to lynch you.
