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Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:13 am

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Ah, of course. I forget you Yanks operate on Wrong Time.

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Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:48 pm

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Knight of Cydonia wrote:Ah, of course. I forget you Yanks operate on Wrong Time.
Heh heh heh xD I'm on what Americans call Mountain Time (the most ignored time zone on the continent), which is usually seven hours behind you.
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Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:46 pm

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All pointless chatter. Game related content now! KoC, make better use of your text. Defend yourself, if you can. [[Case!]]
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Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:23 am

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Anyone who hasn't posted since dawn (AKA orangepenguin) has been prodded.
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Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:29 am

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I still like my vote on KoC quite a bit right now. There are quite a few still valid points that I brought up during D1.5 that still hold true, and CRF has a pretty damn strong case right now. The recent move by KoC against FL confirms most of my suspicions of him though given that he is attacking based on the movements towards fl near the end of D1.0

KoC claims that FL wanted fl lynched regardless of alignment and that is a reason why we should be lynching him today. KoC however took a similar stance against fl and pushing a case on someone for committing an act that you also commited is pretty damn scummy. The rest of the case against FL seems to be "voted manito", which I am not quite sure why that is a scum action. I like the case against manito quite a bit, and would hop that wagon if someone started it up.

Looking at some of his quotes saying he wanted or didnt mind fl getting lynched
Quite frankly, m'dear, if you are town, I'd be almost as happy to see you go.
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I just stated that it makes no sense for a town player to do this, since it only helps the Mafia, and that if you were town, it wouldn't be a loss
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Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:06 pm

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somestrangeflea wrote:
Anyone who hasn't posted since dawn (AKA orangepenguin) has been prodded.
Oops, sorry. Prod received. Will post more later.
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Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:24 pm

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LlamaFluff wrote: The rest of the case against FL seems to be "voted manito", which I am not quite sure why that is a scum action.
Wasn't the act of voting for me that was scummy, was the act of saying "I rarely vote" followed by not one, but two instant votes without any precursor or reasoning - one right after lynch (was the first vote after D1 lynch I believe), and then the second vote was a switch right near the end of D1.5 that magically happened to be the "hammering" vote at deadline. Neither of the votes had much discussion to back up the reason for the vote - it was just placed, seemingly arbitrarily.
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Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:03 pm

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Manito wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote: The rest of the case against FL seems to be "voted manito", which I am not quite sure why that is a scum action.
Wasn't the act of voting for me that was scummy, was the act of saying "I rarely vote" followed by not one, but two instant votes without any precursor or reasoning - one right after lynch (was the first vote after D1 lynch I believe), and then the second vote was a switch right near the end of D1.5 that magically happened to be the "hammering" vote at deadline. Neither of the votes had much discussion to back up the reason for the vote - it was just placed, seemingly arbitrarily.
Both these points are horribly flawed. When FL voted you, I saw it coming. From pages before D1.0 ended I saw this coming on my reread, you and FL were going to be at each other early the next day. The vote didnt come "out of nowhere" if I can see it coming pages away.

The last vote of FL was smart considering his LoS. It was like if the wagons were Corin and Joubert from your perspective. Joubert was on your LoS, but not your top pick. However Joubert would of been a preferable lynch to Corin. Corin was prefered to K7 by FL so he took the perfered path as would anyone.

I noticed armlx did something similar, but you arent on him for it. Why?

Also your LoS by the list was FL, Joubert, K7. Why did you not vote K7?
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Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:52 pm

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I totally forgot about those LoS's...

I suppose you're right in that respect, that makes the unvote/revote more sensible.
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Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:13 pm

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LlamaFluff wrote:I noticed armlx did something similar, but you arent on him for it. Why?

Also your LoS by the list was FL, Joubert, K7. Why did you not vote K7?
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Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:02 am

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Mod: Please prod Joubert.
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Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:17 am

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Mod: Please prod Joubert.
2nd.

Llama, what thing are you talking about?
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Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:26 am

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Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:33 am

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LlamaFluff wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote:I noticed armlx did something similar, but you arent on him for it. Why?

Also your LoS by the list was FL, Joubert, K7. Why did you not vote K7?
Because K7 was at the bottom of my list?

Do you always start at the bottom of your suspect list?

I don't jump on bandwagons just because everyone else is. We've all seen where that gets us. The only reason K7 is on my scumdar at all is D1 - since then he's been pretty much a complete ghost, contributing absolutely nothing.

Getting really pushy again Llama - even about a past vote. Why do you push so hard for people to hop on wagons?
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Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:46 am

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Manito wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote:I noticed armlx did something similar, but you arent on him for it. Why?

Also your LoS by the list was FL, Joubert, K7. Why did you not vote K7?
Because K7 was at the bottom of my list?

Do you always start at the bottom of your suspect list?

I don't jump on bandwagons just because everyone else is. We've all seen where that gets us. The only reason K7 is on my scumdar at all is D1 - since then he's been pretty much a complete ghost, contributing absolutely nothing.

Getting really pushy again Llama - even about a past vote. Why do you push so hard for people to hop on wagons?
The LoS was three people because this game has three scum, therefore your LoS you made said "I think the three scum are FL, Joubert, K7". Now even if K7 was not your #1 suspect, he was in your top three. Why would you not want to get one of your top three players lynched over someone you consider town?

Also you are being willfully ignorant with the "start at the bottom of your list" thing. Of course you are going to try and get your top player lynched, but if you cant get them lynched, and your #3 is on the blocks, you are just going to ignore them?

And of course I am pushing you about past votes, you decided not to vote for a high suspect that if placed ahead of FLs vote, that would of got K7 lynched. I am not pushing you to hop on wagons though, I am pushing you because you failed to act of your LoS I think a typical player would.
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Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:30 am

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SpyreX it's hard at this point in the game but if FL was scum who do you think his partners would be?

SC so who do you think is scum?
FS so who do you think is scum?
armlx has your top 3 changed?
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Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:02 am

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CF Riot wrote:SpyreX it's hard at this point in the game but if FL was scum who do you think his partners would be?

SC so who do you think is scum?
FS so who do you think is scum?
armlx has your top 3 changed?
I'm not really sure anymore, but if Joubert just pops in and skedaddles again, I'm pressure voting him. I'm still looking at killa seven, though, and Knight of Cydonia's looking good too.
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Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:59 am

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I didn't think of my LoS as my list of people I was sure were scum. I highly doubt anyone thought of it that way. My LoS were the 3 people who were highest on my scum radar at that given moment. As I've already stated, K7's behavior is iffy, but not lynch worthy in my eyes. At this point, he's off my radar completely since he has posted very little recently.
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Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:16 am

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Manito wrote:At this point, [K7's] off my radar...
Who's on it? Any number of people is fine.
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Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:12 am

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CF Riot wrote:
Manito wrote:At this point, [K7's] off my radar...
Who's on it? Any number of people is fine.
Right now, FL is top of my list of scummy behavior individuals. Despite Llama pointing out that some of the reasoning behind the last vote he placed was from the LoS, the rest of the behavior from D1 still outweighs that in my book.

Other than that, a lot of people have just dropped below my view of "suspicious" behavior, primarily from inactivity. K7 rarely posts, and if he does, there's no content, just him being a smartass. Joubert is also fairly sporadic. I'm still a little confused by everyone's suspicions of FS and KoC, but I must have missed something big there, as suspicious as everyone else is of them.
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Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:13 am

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You say K7's gone off your radar just because he's not posting?
Crikey, should I just lurk for a while then, and then no-one will look at me?
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Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:17 am

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I totally forgot about those LoS's...
I suppose you're right in that respect, that makes the unvote/revote more sensible.
I'd presume that LoS'ing like there is no tomorrow pretty much cancels the weight they could hold in the first place, either on the LoS'er or the LoS'ee. People slacked off and see the result. Mislynch and K7 still not relevant as usual...

And of course, StrangerCoug's behavior is nothing close to reassuring either. Jump on anyone for insignificant reasons and stick with the bottom of the barrel. Quite typical, after all. When you're putting too much effort in kicking the spotlight on someone else's head, it becomes obvious quickly and the results ensue...
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Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:22 pm

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SpyreX it's hard at this point in the game but if FL was scum who do you think his partners would be?
Honeslty, I'm not sure what you hope to gain and I can, and suspect, there will be a minor storm of WTF from me even talking about it but hey, why not.

If FL is scum, I could see:
1.) Firestarter - In his analysis he questions the play and makes points, but then immediately jumps on Armlx - not to mention the whole Armlx-FS firefight for pages upon pages.
2.) K7 the day 2 events really did push K7 towards the back burner and, if FL is scum, I could see this as a yin-yang dance to try and make sure at least one of them has odds to make it.
3.) Armlx - Now, personally, I dont think Arm has been scummy most game. However, the meta defense on FL coupled with the push-pull early on between them Arm did start to push on some of the comments FL made, but never voted, etc. (Part of this is the new Arm / Spyre Meta of having Meta discussions. :P)

But, really, this doesn't mean much. The only scum pairing that would floor me is Arm / Firestarter.

I could see 1 and 2 above seperate from FL. I could also see Joubert, or LF (Gimbo'd) or SC for the strange behavior. Hell, KoC or OP wouldn't bother me.

What I'm gettin at is we've been a scummy town. :P
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Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:12 pm

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Ok so make a deal with me. I'm on the fence about both FL and K7. I've wavered towards town on both but can conceive either (or both) being scum. However I really don't like FS, and he's your number 2 anyways. Throw some support towards my FS wagon and based on how it goes I'll vote with you on either K7 or FL in the second half of today. (That means whichever you vote for, I will vote for the same. Not cast my vote on one or the other in spite of your vote.)

If yes revote anytime. If no, you can make your own proposal and I'll consider it.
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Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:19 pm

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CF Riot wrote:Ok so make a deal with me. I'm on the fence about both FL and K7. I've wavered towards town on both but can conceive either (or both) being scum. However I really don't like FS, and he's your number 2 anyways. Throw some support towards my FS wagon and based on how it goes I'll vote with you on either K7 or FL in the second half of today. (That means whichever you vote for, I will vote for the same. Not cast my vote on one or the other in spite of your vote.)

If yes revote anytime. If no, you can make your own proposal and I'll consider it.
I don't like the idea of this if only because CF Riot runs the risk of mistrusting SpyreX and the latter being scum. I can't exactly pin why else not right now, and that may be it.
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