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[the worst]

vote count 1.17

lilith2013 (4)

: PenguinPower, skitter30, Uncrowned, petapan

JacksonVirgo (2)

: lilith2013, Hoopla

TheGoldenParadox (2)

: Infinity 324, davesaz

Uncrowned (1)

: DrippingGoofball

skitter30 (1)

: Dunnstral

PenguinPower (1)

: TheGoldenParadox

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Pine, JacksonVirgo

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-02 21:15:00)

mod notes

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- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

[lilith2013]

@SS if you're town, I'm happy to be proven wrong, but like, you calling out skitter on her response to JV's townread on her felt over the top

Hmm? His response to that was along the lines of "This is interesting, I wonder what to think. Slightly scummy."

The fact that he called it out at all feels like not-SS to me. It also reminded me of this post:

ngl, the speed is very unnerving.

Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

in which he avoids interacting with the wagon, similarly to how he avoided commenting on the JV wagon here.

[lilith2013]

goddammit

[TheGoldenParadox]

Indirectly scumreading Hoopla but nowhere in this ISO is it made clear why Hoopla would be a scumread.

it's in his first post? "opportunistic wagon hopping". strong noob vibes.

Eh, fair enough. I'm used to much more though it is extremely early still.
I'm certain TGP has been in enough games to not be considered in that category. I'm just not sure I have a strong meta handle yet.

it's whatever category you want to put "person who gets concerned by early game wagon hopping"

here you go:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: penguinpower

rats.

looks like i hitched my wagon to the wrong horse.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: lilith

I wasn't really meaning super long ones. Just the paragraph ones, where it's more than a sentence.

that is such a weird comment to make about skitter when almost all her posts are one-liners. there's literally only one of her posts that is 4+ sentences long.

why pick out her?

especially when there --

*sorry, splitting up this post because it's getting pretty long.

1/2

2/2

continued:

especially when there are half a dozen other players who have posted with an amount of verbosity. not to mention me, who has actually posted a couple of walls.

i agree with peta. i simply don't buy this is genuine town thought.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: jacksonvirgo

here you go (there are no hoopla posts in between these by the way, they're adjacent in her ISO.
for context - she begins with an rvs vote on Lilith that leaves a bad taste in my mouth because while it could be harmless it also could be scum seeing if they can chain miseliminations. then a completely naked and seemingly random vote on penguin after a skitter-penguin interaction with no other context, followed by her next post being a. weird and opportunistic vote on Lilith after that wagon picks up. finally, with two sarcastic posts, she discredits and votes JV for something that really doesn't look that AI, picking up on a JV wagon forming. Yeah, this is opportunistic wagon hopping. Enough of it is NAI that Hoopla is a moderate scumlean as opposed to my PP scumread.

...ish. I'm quite reserved with my vote, especially on day 1, but it has less to do with surety and more that I see early votes as causing more problems than they solve. Also I'm afraid of making decisions.

We literally just played together, was I not like that in that game?

yes, we were. and i was shocked to discover it took you beyond page 50 to lay down your first vote.

i am fascinated by the stoic observers afraid to jump in the waters.

a handy tip: when in doubt, don't be afraid to sheep ol' hoopla.

this also felt weird to me. like, sheep hoopla on what? you've laid down a couple naked votes and another couple votes where you've basically sheeped other people.

[Something_Smart]

Yeah, this is opportunistic wagon hopping.

Is it opportunistic if JV is scum?

[TheGoldenParadox]

and after reevaluating my read on JV it's more of a townlean than a townread

How do you feel about JV's posts independent of wagons?

they're... fine. a slight townlean because the points they're making haven't been great but don't jump out as scum motivated.

[lilith2013]

Yeah, this is opportunistic wagon hopping.

Is it opportunistic if JV is scum?

do you think JV is scum?

[petapan]

you're not gonna convince me to scumread hoopla for naked voting

[Something_Smart]

Not particularly, though that's not relevant to the question.

[lilith2013]

what's the point of the question then?

[TheGoldenParadox]

Yeah, this is opportunistic wagon hopping.

Is it opportunistic if JV is scum?

i mean, yes? it's opportunistic either way because it takes advantage of wagons forming and jumps on them with little to no attempted solving or town motivated reasoning.

[TheGoldenParadox]

you're not gonna convince me to scumread hoopla for naked voting

naked voting is fine, but look at the context those naked votes are being placed in.

[Something_Smart]

what's the point of the question then?

The point of the question is that the argument reads as circular to me-- Hoopla is scum because she jumped on town JV, JV is town because scum Hoopla jumped on them.

I don't think it really makes sense for a scum jump onto scum to be opportunistic, because isn't the point of opportunism to try to find an excuse to push townies?

[Something_Smart]

naked voting is fine, but look at the context those naked votes are being placed in.

For pressure?

[Something_Smart]

i mean, yes? it's opportunistic either way because it takes advantage of wagons forming and jumps on them with little to no attempted solving or town motivated reasoning.

How do you know what Hoopla's reasoning is?

[Uncrowned]

S_S feels like the voice of reason in this game which to me feels townie but the lack of substantial reads is concerning

Have you developed any outside of saying PP felt towny a while ago?

[Infinity 324]

@SS if you're town, I'm happy to be proven wrong, but like, you calling out skitter on her response to JV's townread on her felt over the top

Hmm? His response to that was along the lines of "This is interesting, I wonder what to think. Slightly scummy."

The fact that he called it out at all feels like not-SS to me. It also reminded me of this post:

ngl, the speed is very unnerving.

Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

in which he avoids interacting with the wagon, similarly to how he avoided commenting on the JV wagon here.

Ok so I don't have a ton of history with s_s, but other people seem to, so this seems like something that should be easily resolved? Either town!s_s tries to solve by asking sideline questions without throwing out a ton of opinions of his own, or he doesn't. I thought it was the former based on this interaction:

s_s, do you think it's important that people don't develop reads for bad reasons? (Don't remember that much about how you tend to play)

Sorry, missed that.

Yes, extremely.

I would rather have no reads than have reads based on bad reasons.

but I don't really feel like doing the meta research so if someone who's played with s_s before could give input that'd be great.

[Uncrowned]

Infinity read my mind right there

[Uncrowned]

I need more JV in my life

[Uncrowned]

okay so I have a super crazy wild theory that SS and skitter are scum together and the reason that skitter's scumreading me so early is because they know I can read SS really well

What about Skitter do you think has been scummy thus far?

Does her ability to read you also go vice versa (as in she said she's good at reading you)

[Uncrowned]

Yeah, this is opportunistic wagon hopping.

Is it opportunistic if JV is scum?

i mean, yes? it's opportunistic either way because it takes advantage of wagons forming and jumps on them with little to no attempted solving or town motivated reasoning.

But if you're assuming town!lilith and scum!JV then this doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering the wagons were about neck and neck

[Uncrowned]

TGP do you think PP "wagon hopping" earlier in the game is indicative of a townie, fluid mindset or of opportunistic scum? Why?

[JacksonVirgo]

I dont think jv's comment is as bad as its being made out to be

this post in particular feels similar to the style you used to back up your buddy in that game, at least tonally.

Oh no skitter... we're caught!

[JacksonVirgo]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

Uhhh, what even is this?

[JacksonVirgo]

Bray

What does this mean?