Open 797: Bus Service [Game Over]

[Almost50]

Yo, I voted for America today

Spoiler:

[MiniVirgo]

I think you'll find I have a huge ego, Miltank. I even lended part of it to Flavor Leaf, because it was starting to weigh me down.

Most of them are on here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hectic

Oh lmfaooo YOU were Donkey Kong.

- JV

[shellyc]

Mind answering these, shelly?

redados is busy IRL
im confident because i recently deathtunnelled scum

[shellyc]

The ProfMaf cases both suck.

why does it suck tho, i wanna know the why

[MiniVirgo]

The ProfMaf cases both suck.

why does it suck tho, i wanna know the why

It has no real solid case on it, and it hasn't swayed my read on them at all. I know the question wasn't to me but I'd like to answer as well

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

A big storm is coming so I won't be able to post for a bit, neither will mini.

- JV

[JohnnyFarrar]

Off work!

[shellyc]

johnny what do you think about derp and profmafia

[JohnnyFarrar]

I would vote either one

[yessiree]

Yo, I voted for America today, took 5 hours.

Whats america running for these days? Profitting off of war and human suffering again?

[shellyc]

I would vote either one

isn't your vote on me aorn

can you put your vote to a better use or something. k thanks.

[Froppy]

okay so I actually read 3 pages but I will be at 10 that is a grantee.

[derp]

people should really learn to read the gamestate if they believe poor derp is going to flip red, but innocent derp understands that he is probably going to be yeeted today which is very rude

[piisirrational]

Votecount 1.05

Vote Count

shellyc [4]:

Professor Mafia, Almost50, ManWithNoName, JohnnyFarrar

Professor Mafia [3]:

shellyc, yessiree, Elbirn

Nandor the Relentless [2]:

Not_Mafia, derp

derp [2]:

MiniVirgo, Nandor the Relentless

Almost50 [0]:

JohnnyFarrar 0]:

MiniVirgo [0]:

Not_Mafia [0]:

yessiree [0]:

Elbirn [0]:

ManWithNoName [0]:

Bingle [0]:

Froppy [0]:

Not Voting [1]:

Froppy

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 players to eliminate someone.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-10-30 21:30:00).

[shellyc]

people should really learn to read the gamestate if they believe poor derp is going to flip red, but innocent derp understands that he is probably going to be yeeted today which is very rude

derp if you're town can you provide a readslist with 1-2 line explanations with everyone

[shellyc]

shellyc [4]: Professor Mafia, Almost50, ManWithNoName, JohnnyFarrar

I'm gonna say professor/johnny 2 scum in those four names, professor mafia is scum for the CW, johnny has virtually no logical progression with the 180 on me

[shellyc]

if these were t/t CWs I would expect competent and active scumteam but considering the lurkers and how firm my TRs are on the rather active players, professor is just prob!scum by VCA

[Froppy]

What does CW mean? I'm trying to understand how you came to the conclusion that they are mafia.

[Bingle]

CW is either a bad TV network that mostly targets the YA/teen demographic and has most of the DC live action serials or it stands for counterwagon. I'm really hoping for the former, it'd be way spicier.

[Bingle]

@mod:

I'm currently voting derp.

[Bingle]

The ProfMaf cases both suck.

why does it suck tho, i wanna know the why

I too would like to know why people make bad cases.

Yo, I voted for America today, took 5 hours.

Whats america running for these days? Profitting off of war and human suffering again?

I mean... Aren't we all?

[yessiree]

eww, speak for yourself man

[Bingle]

Spoiler: Cases

fine im doing PBPA

Big Elephant is sounding increasingly scummy, I think the TR on MiniVirgo is a deep pocket, and they're just generally agreeing with stuff and throwing out forced reads instead of solving.

I think mech talk is a bad way to TR people fwiw

VOTE: Big Elephant

random SR on me for TRing JV for being more active and solvy and framing it as a "pocket" and SR for making "reads" LOL
second line is treading IIoA

ftr im scumreading johnny's shitpush in their opening so it'd make my day if N_M were to vote there
-shelly

I think you're the one that's shitpushing here. In my opinion, overexplanation is a scumtell and pointing that out is furthering the game.

Does anyone else see what I'm seeing here?

overexplanation it totally a personality tell and furthering the game by making something out of a NAI post is bad

N_M's bold style is pretty town!AI. Scum usually don't go against the grain like that imo.

N_M is playing like a jester, like they usually do. I don't really get why that's a good reason to TR people.

Feels like you're randomly throwing out reads like candies here. Your trajectories to get to a TR are cheap.

shutting down my TR to shade N_M subtly
im also foreign to N_M meta and making reads is again, not scummy

Something about Elephant's reads just ping me the wrong way, I guess the best way to describe it is that it seems pocket.

+1 to this

MWNN's probably town

no reasoning, TRing those who make similar reads to them = lazy reads

big elephant is hardcore omgussing. MWNN/A50 are probably both town

hot take: I have a mild SR on MiniVirgo. Trying to defend A50 sounds a bit like a buddy attempt imo.

i think a lot of scum are inactive

why are MWNN/A50 town???
why is the defense buddying not everything that TRs people = pocketing
why would you assume scum are active, this is prob TMI

at least 1 inactive is prob!scum, big elephant and MiniVirgo contain scum

this game is nearly solved

why does big elephant (me) and MV contain scum

MiniVirgo/Big Elephant contains scum, idk why people call BE "low charisma wagon" that slot is just obtuse and scummy

Derp is rather town imo, tone has been good, A50's playing to their town meta

get Elephant today this will solve the game

shitpushing without explaining the SR on my slot AT ALL and sheeping JV
why is derp town???? and why is the tone good

Nandor is far from lock-town. ProfessorMafia is also likely Town. Can anyone actually explain the SR on them thank

- JV

how can you look at prof maf's ISO and not smell the stench?

I wanted to hear back from Prof Maf first but here's more or less where I'm at
his big elephant push is mostly done in bad faith to look active

the initial read and the vote there isn't bad, but since then he has not shown any genuine read progression, continued to shitpush big elephant with crap logic piled on top of crap logic

N_M's bold style is pretty town!AI. Scum usually don't go against the grain like that imo.

N_M is playing like a jester, like they usually do. I don't really get why that's a good reason to TR people.

Feels like you're randomly throwing out reads like candies here. Your trajectories to get to a TR are cheapl

.

Something about Elephant's reads just ping me the wrong way, I guess the best way to describe it is that it seems pocket.

+1 to this

MWNN's probably town

Hectic alt detected.

big elephant is hardcore omgussing. MWNN/A50 are probably both town

MiniVirgo/Big Elephant contains scum, idk why people call BE "low charisma wagon" that slot is just obtuse and scummy

Derp is rather town imo, tone has been good, A50's playing to their town meta

get Elephant today this will solve the game

Accuses BE's trajectories to TR people cheap, but is perfectly fine with throwing out TRs for no good reason

big elephant is hardcore omgussing. MWNN/A50 are probably both town

hot take: I have a mild SR on MiniVirgo. Trying to defend A50 sounds a bit like a buddy attempt imo.

i think a lot of scum are inactive

at least 1 inactive is prob!scum, big elephant and MiniVirgo contain scum

this game is nearly solved

calls miniVirgo scum, who is the most vocal voice in pushing BE, WHILE pushing BE himself at the same time
and then throws out the absolute banger "a lot of scum are inactive", backtracks with "at least 1 inactive scum, BE/MiniVergo contains scum"

this is a red flag, there's way many holes in his logic here, I don't see any real conviction in his read
which seems to me this is Prof Maf content with fanning the flames from the side rather than pushing his SR in good faith

teal deers:

Shelly: Prof maf had a bad push on shelly!slot. Metashade on N_M TR. ProfMaf had lazy/unsupported reads.

yessir: Prof maf push on BE is for show. Cognitive dissonance in SR-ing both elephants and mV. Cheap TR's while pushing someone for cheap TR's.

Of these, yes is actually providing a scum motivation for some of the things done, but neither of them are actually solid cases on ProfMaf.

Actually looking at the quotes shared though, paints a different picture. ProfMaf cast a vote on page 4 with pretty solid reason (given the stage of the game) on shelly. Their fluff to non fluff ratio is good, the meta knowledge of N_M is something anyone who has been in a thread with N_M for more than two sentences can share with you, the point about mechspeak being NAI is just basic mafia, and the rest of the BE case is just as hypocritical as yes is accusing Prof of being.

Further: 107, 108, 200, 373, 452 all have decent reasoning, even if I don't agree with it.

Yes's contention that there's a cognitive dissonance to thinking there is one scum in two slots that are SR-ing each other is frankly baffling. The idea that Prof is trying to look active is also pretty out there: Prof has been pretty obviously lurker-y. Their rate of content is probably the strongest contention against them, tbh. The cherry picking of 373 and 374 to show that Prof doesn't have reasons to townread is pretty :eyebrows: because 374 doesn't contain any townreads and 373 only has two, one of which he'd previously given a reason for. (In post 200)

[Bingle]

eww, speak for yourself man

Mafia is a 0 sum fun game. There is a limited amount of fun to be had, and the only way to ensure all of it is mine is to make sure no one else has any.

[Bingle]

if these were t/t CWs I would expect competent and active scumteam but considering the lurkers and how firm my TRs are on the rather active players, professor is just prob!scum by VCA

First of all, even the strongest proponents of VCA know that it's more useful as the game progresses.

Second, why would dueling town wagons support the idea of an active scumteam as opposed to a scumteam willing to let the active town players eat each other alive?

Third, who are the active players and what have they done to merit a townread?