Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[Bell]

Need your brain Rem.

neuterhalf went to sleep.

We're still VT

So, do we assume April is lying here and 1v1? or no?

Why would they 1v1 here as scum tho.

[zMuffinMan]

you realise that if you are town and died and bulge was the kill choice, you'd have fucked over this game single-handedly right?

like literally single-handedly put the game at evens and probably straight to mylo

[morph the cat]

Morph was already ready for this too because they know what happened.

If you're scum then you somehow know that the game is winnable after we flip.

I can't see how that works, but there are setup crackers in this game so I'm not too worried.

If you're town and lying then you've crossed a line I never forgive. Know that.

[Bell]

can we wait on 420 before we get fucking weird here

Agree.

[midwaybear]

I'm a little confused here, but something seems weird right.

[Remilia Scarlet]

like if they're asectic and scum and "you die if you target scum" i'd still feel like you should die if you hit them but they would not get added to the hood which is clearly not what happened

can you ostensibly verify or unverify these hypotheticals w/ nacho?

[Bell]

No everything is normal.

[Remilia Scarlet]

you realise that if you are town and died and bulge was the kill choice, you'd have fucked over this game single-handedly right?

like literally single-handedly put the game at evens and probably straight to mylo

seriously going to fucking fight whoeever wants to elim muffin at this point

[zMuffinMan]

btw full disclaimer: i should admit that one of the reasons i wanna go straight to N3 here is to make april kill himself if he's town

[morph the cat]

Need your brain Rem.

neuterhalf went to sleep.

We're still VT

So, do we assume April is lying here and 1v1? or no?

Why would they 1v1 here as scum tho.

I don't care.

If the setup geniuses can't explain how this happens when they target VT then that where my vote goes and it doesn't move.

No mercy. One of us dies. Probably us. And then then April is elimed tomorrow. No excuses. No mercy.

[Bell]

Just because his reasoning is solid doesn’t mean he’s town dude. /:
Scum can make excellent points especially when they know more than we do.

[April Ludgate]

you realise that if you are town and died and bulge was the kill choice, you'd have fucked over this game single-handedly right?

like literally single-handedly put the game at evens and probably straight to mylo

Only if I failed.

I clearly did not fail. Post game everyone can see the thought process behind.

420 is probably town, which seems correct considering I by no means think my Plus + Prism comments were at all the actual accurate result.

I essentially just outguessed scum after careful consideration, and it seems to have worked out.

[April Ludgate]

I’m actually leaning towards killing Morph, not Zmuffin. I think Morph has more scum equity based on the night actions.

@Morph - I’m not pushing you as lock scum, so it seems like you are overreacting here. You could have been Rolestopped by a scum rolestopper.

[April Ludgate]

Need your brain Rem.

neuterhalf went to sleep.

We're still VT

So, do we assume April is lying here and 1v1? or no?

Why would they 1v1 here as scum tho.

I don't care.

If the setup geniuses can't explain how this happens when they target VT then that where my vote goes and it doesn't move.

No mercy. One of us dies. Probably us. And then then April is elimed tomorrow. No excuses. No mercy.

That’s the thing, we aren’t trying to explain targeting VT. We’re trying to explain targeting you, and that happened. There are a few other options out there so the fact you instantly got defensive and attacked like this is interesting.

[Remilia Scarlet]

god if i ever hear the term 'scum equity' again it'll be too soon

[zMuffinMan]

i mean, bulge was an obvious kill choice if you're town (there's not much town power outside of the claimed doc who has a fair bit of suspicion on him from certain players - personally i'd have taken out 420 if he's town but i'm not even going to try to guess what happened last night with current information)

so like

you lucking out doesn't make it a brilliant strategic move if you're town - it just means scum had a different idea in mind for whatever reason

[morph the cat]

Start there:

viewtopic.php?p=5501380#p5501380

I NEVER accept a fake guilty on me again. Wake was town and he threw the game.

Bork you remember this game.

[April Ludgate]

@Bell - Morph just said “should we assume April is lying”. Does town ever assume that in Morph’s position or would they for sure know based on how they pushed.

[morph the cat]

I've felt this coming all fucking game.

All

Fucking

Game

[April Ludgate]

Start there:

viewtopic.php?p=5501380#p5501380

I NEVER accept a fake guilty on me again. Wake was town and he threw the game.

Bork you remember this game.

This is irrelevant information. Nobody is pushing a fake guilty on you.

I said I targeted you, and then said the conclusions of the night.

Why are you pushing it like a major guilty?

[morph the cat]

Vote: April

[Remilia Scarlet]

Start there:

viewtopic.php?p=5501380#p5501380

I NEVER accept a fake guilty on me again. Wake was town and he threw the game.

Bork you remember this game.

you're really quick to dismiss scum foul play here

[April Ludgate]

i mean, bulge was an obvious kill choice if you're town (there's not much town power outside of the claimed doc who has a fair bit of suspicion on him from certain players - personally i'd have taken out 420 if he's town but i'm not even going to try to guess what happened last night with current information)

so like

you lucking out doesn't make it a brilliant strategic move if you're town - it just means scum had a different idea in mind for whatever reason

Disagree.

I did the work.

This happens quite often, to be honest. I’ve learned to control luck it seems

[April Ludgate]

Start there:

viewtopic.php?p=5501380#p5501380

I NEVER accept a fake guilty on me again. Wake was town and he threw the game.

Bork you remember this game.

you're really quick to dismiss scum foul play here

Also, I will eventually take myself out of the game with my ability. If I don’t, I can’t win anyways if I were scum.

Morph should know this as town, but scumMorph has to take me out.

[zMuffinMan]

i just think 1-shot roleblock is a possibility

i don't think a full roleblocker is a real possibility - there's not enough town power to justify it. or anything like it (e.g. the idea that a scum rolestopper exists and targeted morph is possibly the dumbest assertion i've ever heard)

i want to see what happens tonight (AFTER 420 checks in and claims N1/N2 target and then confirms he'll target april tonight)

i want april to claim a target PUBLICLY and not change it