Monty Python's Mafia Circus Game Over

[elvis_knits]

I assumed Muerrto meant mostly me since I brought up his difference in participation and was voting for him.

[elvis_knits]

I googled the black knight myself to refresh my memory. Being 2 or 3 times bulletproof fits with the character since he gets his arms and leg cut off and still lives. But I think the character is much more likely to be evil than good, even though the power makes sense.

unvote; vote chenhsi

No body hammer just yet since I and some other still have more to say.

Also I don't think someone's character being Bad is a valid reason to lynch them. I have played in games were the main here was scum and the villian was town so we should not look for lynches with respect to that.

In Clerks Mafia the Main character's helpful yet misguided sidekick was an SK, and I heard tales of a Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mafia having Buffy as an SK. Good guys can be bad and vice versa. Chenshi should be lynched for his overall scummy play, not his character.

It's not just his claim. I was voting him for most of the day before he claimed. But since his character seems bad and his power sounds like and SK, I see no reason to let him live.

I believe he's now L-2 with my vote.

[PokerFace]

Yay that was my bad. Somewhere along the lines I lost count vote wise. Farside did unvote so yay that was totally my bad. Still though I would prefer no one hammer til everything was sorted.

[farside22]

Yay that was my bad. Somewhere along the lines I lost count vote wise. Farside did unvote so yay that was totally my bad. Still though I would prefer no one hammer til everything was sorted.

I unvoted for fear of K-7 coming in and hammering. I want to hear the rest. My problem with chershi claim is that it fits a SK more then townie.

[SpyreX]

Well, I guess I'll be the one to

@Prod: K7.

Come on in and answer this, please.

[killa seven]

@ pokerface LG was a random pick. couldnt really decide who to choose to i picked a random person who was active.

[strappado]

....alright....
anything else? chenhsi, any last words? You wanna let us know who your partner is maybe? That'd be grand.

[PokerFace]

You know an interesting thought just crossed my mind.

Alot of people are saying his role fits an SK and yet the only kill an SK Black Knight could have made so far would be on Luigi since the Spainish Inquisition got Bruce and Mirth.

Farside said she is looking for an SK and it is probably not the Black Knight.

@Farside,

can Chenshi be an SK in your mind based on what you know.

@Strappado,

You just asked Chenshi for who his partners may be. So you think he has a potential for being Mafia or Cult. Who would you guess as his partners. What do you think of him being an SK?

[farside22]

You know an interesting thought just crossed my mind.

Alot of people are saying his role fits an SK and yet the only kill an SK Black Knight could have made so far would be on Luigi since the Spainish Inquisition got Bruce and Mirth.

Farside said she is looking for an SK and it is probably not the Black Knight.

@Farside,

can Chenshi be an SK in your mind based on what you know.

@Strappado,

You just asked Chenshi for who his partners may be. So you think he has a potential for being Mafia or Cult. Who would you guess as his partners. What do you think of him being an SK?

Based on what I know as far as my role and what not is that the person I'm avoiding is considered a good guy for the movie, but in my role reads as a bad guy. Considering he is the only one I'm trying to avoid I felt that character may be the SK, but a part of me wonders if he is only looking for one person and not a SK (does that make sense in some way?)
Now I'm going to be a bit blunt and I appologize to Chenshi if this comes across as rude. Part of me thinks it's possible that Chenshi is the SK as he is not paying attention. I could see him forgetting to submit information during the night phase. There is at least once I recall for sure where Shaft.ed (mod) stated that some people didn't turn in there actions and he was going to give more time. I could see Chenshi being one of those people.

[strappado]

It was just a joke Poker, I didn't put much thought into it. I could buy that he's a SK...and I hope he is. If he's in a mafia group, we dont have much to work with for finding a partner because of his silence...which is why I really wanted to hear more from him. If he is scum, I dont know who to look at tomorrow. The easy thing would be to look at those that protected him or defended him, but I dont think any of those people are necessarily scum. If I were on his "team", I dont think I'd go out of my way to protect him and therefore link me with him...and I also felt that the defenses for him, although candy-butted, were sincere.

[The Internet]

You have to remember that chenshi might be lying about his role. After all, the black knight is a fairly well known character. Also, PF, have you used your "ace" yet?

[PokerFace]

Hmm... Chenshi said earlier he didn't know much about Monty Python. If Chenshi is what he says he is and is a Mafia then that would feel unbalanced based on how likly an SK or Vig or cult that can kill existing is. If he is town and all then there would have to be and equal amount of scum oposition in terms of them able to kill people. If Chenshi is an SK then he would have to be able to die 2 times with respect to a scum group a vig and a cult. I doubt scum would kill Chenshi for obv reasons with his play and have doubt he would be killed either ways. He is scummy and yet some things don't make sence to me. The town conclusion feels likly in these terms only, yet I must admit I don't know everything about setup and its

probable

highly likly further siliiness.

There is enough evidence from Chenshi's play to warrant a lynch in his direction, yet I am still hesitant since it feels like such a general crap shot and certain elements of what we have seen killwise per night don't add up to me. Perhaps I can find and push a better lynch then.

Craps is my worse game whenever I hit the casino. But Black jack is my best. The Dealer has an ace. Who wants insurance?

I'll save you the trouble of calculating the odds of Gurgi actually having that post restriction and show you some stuff I found. I set a trap for Darla and she walked in and it would appear Gurgi has done the same. Gurgi you know you are my friend since we play on irc and scumchat some, but since I think you're scum and/or potential lying, i got to bring this up. Nothing personal good buddy.

Inconsitances:

1) Gurgi said it was on the 13th in his #12 post and later he said it was 1 in every 13 in his #29. Feel free to view his post in isolation at the bottom of the page to confirm this. Now this ain't too bad since he told us all by himself with no prompting still it was something I took note of.

2) It don't reset each day and yet the penalty is loss of night skill? No matter how you look at it 2+2 != 5. If thats the case I wouldn't bother keeping it up after I had lost my night skill since continuing the restriction might not do anything. Wasted work but that's just cause I'm lazy.

3) Bruce has been confirmed town by death which means he was genuine and telling the truth. His restriction penalty was modkill. (No need to acknowledge this comment imaginalty, I don't want you mod killed for mentioning things that should only be noted or confirmed by the dead). Gurgi gets off with loss of night action while the cop gets modkilled? Bruce was also allowed to mess up in pre-game (Or so we were told) while Gurgi couldn't

4) Doing the Albatross thing in "You are what you eat" and what that would mean towards chances of such a role going to you here as Elvis exclaimed. Believing Ironman's random thing would keep things the same is just as prepostrous as this thing here since role selection should be random. Not impossible but still out there

And now its game time. The big kicker LIE anouncement moment. Got him with the same thing that I got Darla with, The Penalty count, and then some special zas just for Gurgi...drumroll please...

a) Gurgi claims only getting 1 on day 1 and thus he did not use his skill then but did get to use it night 2.
b) Gurgi claims The restriction count does not reset each day.
c) Gurgi claims he must use the word Albatross at the start and end. It MUST BE THERE.
d) Gurgi claims he can not save them up and therefore get 2 during a future set of 13.
e) Pre-game and twighlight still count as times Gurgi must follow the restriction. He gets no time he is allowed to mess up.

#0-12, #13-25, #26-38, #39-51, #52-64, #65-77, #78-90
#12___#14___ #26____#None__#60&61 WTF!!!!

Lord Gurgi #60 post at the end of day 2. Do you see the word Albatross? I only see the 10 word thing.

I assume that means we got scum? MAN, we're good.

That would mean this post broke his restriction and counted as the 13 thing. But then we have Lord Gurgi #61 post. That was the big post he had at the begining of the day.

For this analysis and really long post I am going to be using a matrixed system to simplify my reading of playstyle and alignment. Please read this whole thing. Thanks.

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I will not vote until people respond to this post. Then I'll act based on reactions and my reads. Finally done.

Either shaft.ed is blind and he did not see the slips entailed here or you are lying straight up to us, Gurgi. I could have ignored the inconsistancies but this is too much. So tell me why? Why did you fake it man? You have been playing an awesome game so far. The faking here is the soul reason I ever was suspicious of you. I have not seen you as scummy at all. No slips or scumtells have I seen. You have been doing a perfect game so far in my view. So why did you risk so much just to have fun again? Why man?

Are you even the albatross guy? Did you ever post a video?

Sorry good buddy, but I think you got to go.

Vote: Gurgi

Gurgi is a liar and likly scum me thinks. Can you guys think of anything else to discuss before the day is over? Deadline is quite a bit away I am fine with waiting for everybody to react to whatever since night means more people die. If we can find more scum today that will be cool, but for now I am happy with where my vote is.

Gurgi should be given a chance to explain what is here, and then he should probably be lynched assuming Shaft.ed did not mess up on PR breaking penalties. Not sure what to make of K7 randomly picking Gurgi. I see nothing wrong with it and yet that target was unexpected so I can't say I see anything right with it. I still think K7 is town for now so I will over look the randomness for now and see what he does tomorrow.

Chenshi should post his Video and so should Gurgi under the suspicions I have entailed here if he really is Mr. Albatross. I can see reason for Chenshi to be lynched yet I feel certain odds don't look to be in favor. If you guys disagree and approve of a chenshi lynch over a Gurgi one, i don't think I'll protest it any further. There is good reason for thinking he is scum yet I am still hesitant to follow through based on other odds. So I guess I'll ask you all which lynch you all think is better and we can go from there. If needed, I think I'd be ok with lynching Gurgi tomorrow. I should be alive tomorrow if all my role calculations are correct flavorwise since I have a pretty good guess how to get my cigs tonight. I am fine with lynching Gurgi tomorrow if chenshi is lynched instead today. Let's give Chenshi and Gurgi some time to respond to the acusations on them and then proceed accordingly by lynching one of them.

in case it don't count in my quote...

Vote: Gurgi

[Muerrto]

Checking in before the weekend so I don't get prodded over it.

Are we still waiting on Chensi? I'm not so sure about the Gurgi thing. Possible the mod was just being lenient?

Still don't like TSPN assuming the bridgekeeper thing confirms Spyrex and still don't like Spyrex. Connection?

Other than that the game's kind of crawling.

I'm going for my Net+ certification over the next 2-3 weeks(WISH ME LUCK!) so I'll try to contribute as much as possible but if you expect me to do so on the level of the elemental game you're sadly mistaken. Check my recent activity in my other games and compare to here. Some things are just more important than mafia scum. Sorry.

[farside22]

Well I just went back and looked at LG's post. Today alone not only did he have that big one post in the begging of the day he has posted 24 times with the albatros and not put in another big post in there at all.
Question is if he goes over his post limit is there a penalty?
Also didn't he say at one point he was penalized for the mess up?

[The Internet]

I agree with what you have said PF, and I'll give the rest some time to discuss quickly. If I don't get a darned good reason not to vote Gurgi soon, I will vote for him.

[imaginality]

Mod: are you able to confirm whether all the roles in this game were randomly assigned?

No I cannot confirm one way or the other

So I guess I'll ask you all which lynch you all think is better and we can go from there. If needed, I think I'd be ok with lynching Gurgi tomorrow.

If after hearing from them, there's general agreement that they're both scum, chenhsi might be the better lynch since there seems to be more likelihood he might be SK. It makes sense to lynch the potential SK first so we have only one night kill tonight rather than two, I'd say.

[Lord Gurgi]

I'll save you the trouble of calculating the odds of Gurgi actually having that post restriction and show you some stuff I found. I set a trap for Darla and she walked in and it would appear Gurgi has done the same. Gurgi you know you are my friend since we play on irc and scumchat some, but since I think you're scum and/or potential lying, i got to bring this up. Nothing personal good buddy.

No hard feelings no worries.

Inconsitances:

1) Gurgi said it was on the 13th in his #12 post and later he said it was 1 in every 13 in his #29. Feel free to view his post in isolation at the bottom of the page to confirm this. Now this ain't too bad since he told us all by himself with no prompting still it was something I took note of.

Yes, and this is relevant later as I will say, this means that two unrestricted posts CAN follow one another because I can indeed have 12 restricted posts, then one unrestricted post. Then I have one unrestricted posts, followed by 12 restricted posts. I see no problems here. (12 - 1 - 1 - 12) It could be that I explained it in a bad manner.

2) It don't reset each day and yet the penalty is loss of night skill? No matter how you look at it 2+2 != 5. If thats the case I wouldn't bother keeping it up after I had lost my night skill since continuing the restriction might not do anything. Wasted work but that's just cause I'm lazy.

I really can't account for the inconsistencies as far as that is concerned, but I can well imagine that even though the penalty is nullification of my night skill, if I went out of my way to break the restriction he would modkill me.

3) Bruce has been confirmed town by death which means he was genuine and telling the truth. His restriction penalty was modkill. (No need to acknowledge this comment imaginalty, I don't want you mod killed for mentioning things that should only be noted or confirmed by the dead). Gurgi gets off with loss of night action while the cop gets modkilled? Bruce was also allowed to mess up in pre-game (Or so we were told) while Gurgi couldn't

Once again, I think this was a retroactive ruling on the part of the mod I doubt if he said in imaginality's PM "Oh by the way feel free to disregard the restriction pre-game."

4) Doing the Albatross thing in "You are what you eat" and what that would mean towards chances of such a role going to you here as Elvis exclaimed. Believing Ironman's random thing would keep things the same is just as prepostrous as this thing here since role selection should be random. Not impossible but still out there

I can't account for this, because once again, I do not know if the mod assigns the roles randomly or otherwise. If he does then the chances are small, but there's not much I can do to defend myself on this issue.

And now its game time. The big kicker LIE anouncement moment. Got him with the same thing that I got Darla with, The Penalty count, and then some special zas just for Gurgi...drumroll please...

What's a zas?

a) Gurgi claims only getting 1 on day 1 and thus he did not use his skill then but did get to use it night 2.

I explained earlier about the back to back possibility. 12 - 1 - 1 - 12.

b) Gurgi claims The restriction count does not reset each day.
c) Gurgi claims he must use the word Albatross at the start and end. It MUST BE THERE.
d) Gurgi claims he can not save them up and therefore get 2 during a future set of 13.

Just reposting the 12 - 1 - 1 - 12 thing.

e) Pre-game and twighlight still count as times Gurgi must follow the restriction. He gets no time he is allowed to mess up.

#0-12, #13-25, #26-38, #39-51, #52-64, #65-77, #78-90
#12___#14___ #26____#None__#60&61 WTF!!!!

Lord Gurgi #60 post at the end of day 2. Do you see the word Albatross? I only see the 10 word thing.

Yes it was not an intentional break, but it does not violate the rules.

I assume that means we got scum? MAN, we're good.

That would mean this post broke his restriction and counted as the 13 thing. But then we have Lord Gurgi #61 post. That was the big post he had at the begining of the day.

For this analysis and really long post I am going to be using a matrixed system to simplify my reading of playstyle and alignment. Please read this whole thing. Thanks.

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I will not vote until people respond to this post. Then I'll act based on reactions and my reads. Finally done.

Either shaft.ed is blind and he did not see the slips entailed here or you are lying straight up to us, Gurgi. I could have ignored the inconsistancies but this is too much. So tell me why? Why did you fake it man? You have been playing an awesome game so far. The faking here is the soul reason I ever was suspicious of you. I have not seen you as scummy at all. No slips or scumtells have I seen. You have been doing a perfect game so far in my view. So why did you risk so much just to have fun again? Why man?

I am not lying, I have covered why I only broke that one time with a double post, which was ironically placed after what I had THOUGHT was my break.

Are you even the albatross guy? Did you ever post a video?

Sorry good buddy, but I think you got to go.

Vote: Gurgi

I am indeed the Albatross Vendor, I would rather not fullclaim, but if there is a significant push for my claim (One guy is not enough) then I will. I would rather minimize any knowledge the scum has.

Gurgi is a liar and likly scum me thinks. Can you guys think of anything else to discuss before the day is over? Deadline is quite a bit away I am fine with waiting for everybody to react to whatever since night means more people die. If we can find more scum today that will be cool, but for now I am happy with where my vote is.

I assume this is not directed at me.

Gurgi should be given a chance to explain what is here, and then he should probably be lynched assuming Shaft.ed did not mess up on PR breaking penalties. Not sure what to make of K7 randomly picking Gurgi. I see nothing wrong with it and yet that target was unexpected so I can't say I see anything right with it. I still think K7 is town for now so I will over look the randomness for now and see what he does tomorrow.

12 - 1 - 1 - 12. I have written that so many times now, I'm not sure how this is going to read, but I get the feeling it's going to sound like I'm parroting the same thing over and over.

Chenshi should post his Video and so should Gurgi under the suspicions I have entailed here if he really is Mr. Albatross. I can see reason for Chenshi to be lynched yet I feel certain odds don't look to be in favor. If you guys disagree and approve of a chenshi lynch over a Gurgi one, i don't think I'll protest it any further. There is good reason for thinking he is scum yet I am still hesitant to follow through based on other odds. So I guess I'll ask you all which lynch you all think is better and we can go from there. If needed, I think I'd be ok with lynching Gurgi tomorrow. I should be alive tomorrow if all my role calculations are correct flavorwise since I have a pretty good guess how to get my cigs tonight. I am fine with lynching Gurgi tomorrow if chenshi is lynched instead today. Let's give Chenshi and Gurgi some time to respond to the acusations on them and then proceed accordingly by lynching one of them.

It is really quite off-putting that you are unilaterally deciding that I should post my video, I would not have expected it, based on your play thus far. I will

not

claim until this is more than a unilateral request, purely because I don't like claiming with insufficient pressure.

in case it don't count in my quote...

Vote: Gurgi

This is just to say that I cut out no part of your post that was directed at me.

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Unrelated: Good luck Muerrto.

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This was written on-the-fly, so I probably have missed something or been unclear, if you want further clarification, you'll probably have to give me some abbreviations to follow such as:

If your answer is yes and thing one then type A1
If your answer is yes and thing two then type A2
If your answer is no and thing one then type B1
If your answer is no and thing two then type B2

This would allow me to answer many more questions in a more timely manner.

[PokerFace]

hmm... reading over your recent post it would appear I may have mixed up and confused something relating to your post restriction. This would technically be a good thing since I have not seen you as scummy play wise. You have made useful assessments of the game though restricted. So yes me being wrong is a good thing however it technically makes me feel like an idiot.

#0-12, #13-25, #26-38, #39-51, #52-64, #65-77, #78-90
#12___#14___ #26____#None__#60&61 WTF!!!!

Lord Gurgi #60 post at the end of day 2. Do you see the word Albatross? I only see the 10 word thing.

I thought your twelve restricted were bound by sets. Multiples of 13, meaning you could have tweleve among these 13 as restricted and one unrestricted.

I basically thought you could do this...
Among posts 0-12 your were allowed to mess up once
Among posts 13-25 your were allowed to mess up once
Among posts 26-38 your were allowed to mess up once. etc..
The mess up does not have to be on the 13th post it could be anywhere among the 13. It seems I have considered a second reset principle meaning you had it bound to each set. My bad.


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~~Outlining Starts~~

But you are apparently allowed to make 1 unrestricted under the condition you make 12 restricted ones before or after. And those 12 can be bent around the restricted one like...

12R - 1U -

1R - 1U - 11R

- 1U - 12+(34)R - 1U - 1U - 12+(25)R - 1U...
...
#12___#14___ #26____#None__#60&61___86*

Key*
U means unrestricted
R means restricted

And you also can't double post. I think I got it all understood now. My bad dude.

~~End of Outlining~~

The probably of the role randomly going to you is merely an inconsistancy. There is a way to explain that, Gurgi just got lucky. I admit it is a difficult to swallow explanation but I think I'll let it fly this time since once you have been to the casino and won as many times as I have, you are willing to believe people get lucky sometimes.

Also

@Farside,

Well I just went back and looked at LG's post. Today alone not only did he have that big one post in the begging of the day he has posted 24 times with the albatros and not put in another big post in there at all.

Question is if he goes over his post limit is there a penalty?
Also didn't he say at one point he was penalized for the mess up?

Gurgi already explained this one

Albatross!

Big Post coming,

trying to avoid penalties

. Waiting for substance.

Albatross!

Nothing wrong with being over careful. I see no reason why he would get in trouble for doing more than 12 restricted. He has managed to use some among those twelve to question/scum hunt people and the like so i got no problem there. Though if I were him, I'd be using my unrestricted posts as much as possible simply because I'm like that.

Oh and the word Zas is just something me and other people involved in acting use. I act at a local theatre in my spare time as a hobby. And sometimes I write my own material. Zas basically means, make it look snazzy or dramaticand. Basically I am a sucker for the dramatics and felt like throwing in a drum roll because I aprove of Lynch all Liars and thought I had scum. I now feel like an idiot for calling a Royal Flush with only a Full House. That was my bad but i think things are squared now.

If what what i underlined/outlined is true please say...

Albatross!

PF was dumb. He got it now. Three word phrase.

Albatross!

Again totally my bad, i think i got it now.

Respond with that, or correct me best you can so we are square.

I'll unvote after that. There is no need to post video or claim role and or skill any further since it appears I may have just been misunderstanding. Its a good thing I was wrong. Though I feel like an idiot now. Hope nobody holds that against me. Anybody got ideas on anything else to discuss today?

[Lord Gurgi]

Albatross!

PF was incorrect. He got it now. PF is awesome.

Albatross!

[PokerFace]

Perverted Hungarian Phrase!

Unvote

, I'm an idiot.

Kick's himself

. Chenshi post your video.

Perverted Hungarian Phrase!

[SpyreX]

Well, I was gonna chime in on LG, but that started, developed and finished too quick to get a word in edgewise.

Although I guess I do have to change something - I was going to target PF tonight just to prove at minimum I have the role I said I do, but it sounds like you have some method to actually get your cigs so back to the drawing board.

[Azimuth]

I realized I haven't posted in more than three days. Sorry about that.

The Lord Gurgi thing was interesting to read, and I guess we learned some more details about his restriction, but we're basically in the same situation as before. I still think that people can be anti-town even if they are telling the complete truth about their role, so I remain wary of lynch choices based on role information. As such, I'm not sure I could be swayed by any video chenhsi might post (not that I'm even expecting him to).

In my mind both chenhsi and killa seven are playing the same minimalist, mostly unhelpful style; the difference remains that K7 actually did something that led to a townie lynch -- i.e., hurt the town -- while chenhsi did not. I've no interest in defending chenhsi, who almost seems to want to be lynched, but that's a key reason why my vote is still on killa seven. Not trying to be difficult, just going by the only Judgment I can trust: mine.

[strappado]

quick question after reading Azimuth's post... is there any possibility there's a jester type role in the game?

[imaginality]

Now that PokerFace has made his case against Lord Gurgi, and since it seems to have been cleared up satisfactorily, I say we should go ahead with lynching chenhsi. I don't think that he will sway anyone's minds by posting his video link.

Unvote, Vote: chenhsi

[The Internet]

Seeing whats happened so far, I think it is adviseable to lynch chenshi today. However, he is at L-1, and though he is the best candidate for lynching, I feel that he has not dropped any major scumtells and not that many monor ones, so I'm not comfortable hammering him.