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[Frogsterking]

Alright I just hopped on my desktop. I remember there were thinsg I needed to respond to before today as well.

[Frogsterking]

I have been worried that this setup is implausibly townsided for a while. That's part of the reason I was so suspicious of Gamma; a Tracker on top of the roles I already knew about was just too much.

That said, there are some limitations. For example, one of the confirmations I have could not have been obtained on Night 1, no matter what else was happening in the game. I don't think it would have been possible for more than three people (plus the D1 and N1 flips, which don't count) to be cleared at that point.

I know that it's fairly hard to believe the setup, but it doesn't really matter at this point: we have three eliminations; from my point of view eliminating Looker and Frogster is enough; from your point of view you might need to eliminate me too, but there will still be enough time for that and it should be a forced town win regardless.

I'm still working on my post guys it's going slow, sorry about that.

[Frogsterking]

woops that's one of the quotes I'm using.

[Frogsterking]

I will be back in like an hour and a half to finish writing. I'm going to go and help my GF move some things for her job. Please don't hammer me lol.

[Frogsterking]

Back

[Looker]

UNVOTE:
I'll be back in a bit, I have to actually read this thing some more

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: Nosferatu

#1

CFJ pushing the wagon onto me first chance he gets against the reads of his clear (Titus), combined with ALL of CFJ's earlier statements in the game about how much he town reads me, combined with CFJ's earlier statements that his reads are not great and he prefers to sheep clears/townreads, is incredibly scummy.

#2

@Walter you said my D3 raised a lot of qs for you, do you really believe that's alignment indicative though?

[callforjudgement]

There is literally no point in accusing me of scumminess at this point. It's incorrect for theory reasons to vote for me toDay, and I'm almost certainly going to be eliminated on a future Day (unless we win first). So any useful scumhunting should be based on the assumption that I'm town.

In particular, the game is, at this point, entirely about identifying one unconfirmed townie, not about identifying scum. Town just needs to find one town-aligned player to win. At the moment, it's looking like that's Nosferatu, so the most useful thing you can do is a) explain why Nosferatu is scum, using reasoning that isn't outright insane, and/or b) find an unconfirmed player and try to prove to us why that player is town. Voting you make sense because there's no way you're the towniest of the five unconfirmed players, and knowing your flip will help us work out whether your Nosferatu read is at least based on genuine reasoning, or whether it's scum trying to avoid immediately losing the game.

(Besides, why are you assuming that my desire to eliminate you isn't based on sheeping? There are several players who think you're scummy, in addition to some dead townies like Italiano. My plan involves eliminating geraintm too, and that's pretty much pure sheeping, as he's my top townread.)

[callforjudgement]

EBWOP: top townread among the unconfirmed players.

[Frogsterking]

As a behavioral player I did find some reasons to scum tell geraintm. He made a lot of statements D2 about how the game is "weird" and how he is "confused". He also displays a narrow range of emotions, mostly anger or surprise.

I'm not casing CFJ right now because of the proposed plan to lynch him on whatever day instead, and his deceptive behavior that alarmed me earlier is explainable by attempting to conceal a town power role. His actions today continue to make me suspicious.

My best explanation for why I stopped casing Gamma D3 is that I made a mistake. It happens. I FoSed him much of D1 and D2 and was down to lynch him then.

[Frogsterking]

EBWOP: top townread among the unconfirmed players.

VOTE: CFJ

[Titus]

@CFJ, Frogsterking is literally the towniest of the unconfirmeds.

[Frogsterking]

Overall my first instincts in this game have been serving me better than when I rethink my actions so I'm going to stick with CFJ overall, and if I had to pick in the VTs I would pick Nos.

[Frogsterking]

Overall my first instincts in this game have been serving me better than when I rethink my actions so I'm going to stick with CFJ overall, and if I had to pick in the VTs I would pick Nos.

VOTE: Nosferatu

Though I guess my first instinct was to vote Nos..

[callforjudgement]

@CFJ, Frogsterking is literally the towniest of the unconfirmeds.

He made a lot of posts trying to save Gamma on D3, despite not having a town read there.

That would normally be enough for me to vote him out of hand, but his play D2 was the sort of thing that only normally comes from town (summary: he spent pretty much the entire day tunnelling me, with reasoning so bad that it's hard to believe anyone would make it up, so it was probably genuine). So I had a rather conflicted read.

(A side note: last night I was dreaming about this game, and Frogster flipped scum in the dream. So at least my subconscious seems to think he's scum. I've never had a dream like that before, so I don't know how accurate their reads normally are.)

[Looker]

ill pass this hammer i will be mia for a lil bit

Patience, I guess?

sorry for not being more active today. I don't have any extra info and there are better players in the game than me who can work things out. im fairly sure this game is going to end in a few days with a forced win for us, no mater what I thought.
I have no objectionwith the plan as laid out

We can't move forward without your vote.

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• I found the Frogsterking questions irrelevant, lol. I don't mean to be unfair, but we win.
  • And as far as not targeting "obvtown", I really want to eliminate Titus/RCE and then CFJ, but...I'm assuming that can be put on hold as we put the fate of the game in their hands lol.
• I'm trying to see if there's any benefit to CFJ no-killing tonight in order to have us eliminate geraintm tomorrow.

VOTE: Frogsterking is back to [insert cruel cinder block death here]-1

[Looker]

Frogsterking is cool, though. Very good player. Very fun.

[Titus]

So he tried and was wrong. That's an indication of being town as scum didn't fight because they knew. Hell Gamma likely tanked his lynch by provoking me.

[Frogsterking]

Looker vote your other scum read..

[Frogsterking]

@CFJ, Frogsterking is literally the towniest of the unconfirmeds.

He made a lot of posts trying to save Gamma on D3, despite not having a town read there.

That would normally be enough for me to vote him out of hand, but his play D2 was the sort of thing that only normally comes from town (summary: he spent pretty much the entire day tunnelling me, with reasoning so bad that it's hard to believe anyone would make it up, so it was probably genuine). So I had a rather conflicted read.

(A side note: last night I was dreaming about this game, and Frogster flipped scum in the dream. So at least my subconscious seems to think he's scum. I've never had a dream like that before, so I don't know how accurate their reads normally are.)

It means your subconscious

wants

me to be scum.

[Frogsterking]

I'm going to do an obv town dance ho-ta-ta ho-ta-ta hee

[Frogsterking]

Ra-ta-ta-ta-tee

[Frogsterking]

If Looker won't unvote me then I'll compromise lynch him.

[WaltertheDunce10]

VOTE: gerain

[WaltertheDunce10]

Frog can be tomorrow if not gerain.