Minvitational 8 - OVER before 611

[cicero]

Billy: the quote should close after the word "reasons".

It isn't in any way a policy lynch. And I'm still indecisive on Oman. Like I said his Kison point had a weird air of honesty about it. But the general point of my post is "are we maybe looking past the obvious here?" as an honest reading should reveal.

So... are we maybe looking past the obvious here?

Also note - every time you enumerate my Oman as scum points you leave something out. You did it again in your last post. Care to tell me what it was?

[Kison]

Oman, I take it you haven't figured out why you think I'm scummy.

I can't help but wonder why you are paying Oman's gut feeling so much attention. So far, Oman's suspicion of you boils down to two things: (1) the FoS vs. vote thing, which you've responded to, and (2) a "gut" feeling he hasn't explained. Oman's point about the FoS is rather weak but why are you continuing to push for Oman to characterize his gut feeling? It certainly doesn't seem like anyone is interested in voting you because of a gut feeling Oman has.

Because he's not doing much else. He previously was suspicious of Cicero yet I've not seen much of that from him lately. Now he comes out and claims he's suspicious of me for reasons he can't explain. The appropriate thing for him to do is to try to figure out _why_ he's suspicious.

[Guardian]

Deadline?: August 20, 8PM EST

[Oman]

I want anyone whose considering following my vote to know that I am in no way 100% (i.e. investigation) sure on Kison, its totally my passive insight kicking in (/D&D joke)

[Guardian]

Prod sent indiscriminately to all players. Deadline in about 2 days.

[Erg0]

Gah, I'm spinning my wheels here.

Oman: did you read my points on Kison in 932? What did you think?

[Erg0]

Gah, I'm spinning my wheels here.

Oman: did you read my points on Kison in 932? What did you think?

Actually, same question to Kison too.

[Oman]

I think its a nice thought actually. By saying CKD and shanba rely on eachother being scum, then pushing for CKD, dead CKD allows him to drop shanbascum as a case.

[Kison]

I read it. I don't think much about it obviously because I know I'm not scum. I don't think what you said is very damning, because the Town clearing a player based on another's 'suspicion' of a scum pair winding up being incorrect does not make much sense, as you said. That's really taking a leap of faith that everyone is not thinking clearly, because considering how inactive Shanba was, not a whole lot could be concluded about who would be aligned with him should he be scum. So CKD flipping Town says nothing about Shanba <-> Everyone else.

[Kison]

I think its a nice thought actually. By saying CKD and shanba rely on eachother being scum, then pushing for CKD, dead CKD allows him to drop shanbascum as a case.

And how does this make Shanba/me any more likely to be scum? You say it does, because it would allow for Shaft.ed to drop the shanbascum case. But the shanbascum case was a result of his CKD push. Why are you assuming that Shafted would be

more

likely to push CKD for his unvote should Shanba be scum as opposed to him being town?

[Oman]

Trying to find my gut

Obviously the first issue is shanba's lurking, however, as Shanba just left, I think I can throw that away. But lets see what was posted.

Shanba also seemed to follow Shaft.ed's first vote on me The vote count shows it Shanba doesn't properly explain this, so she could just be trying to build something. Even when Shaft.ed is against shanba's lurking, he still votes CKD.

When shanba does post, she says that CKD's attack on shaft.ed is OMGUS and "doesn't make much sense".

Half way through, Kison doesn't enter yet. I'll do the rest later.

[The Fonz]

I think its a nice thought actually. By saying CKD and shanba rely on eachother being scum, then pushing for CKD, dead CKD allows him to drop shanbascum as a case.

I can see what you're getting at here. I've done that as scum before. Works in two ways- if you get the townie lynched, it allows you to drop your suspicion- if your buddy dies, you can pursue the town lynch without looking scummy.

I will vote either Erg0 or Cicero at deadline. There's a lot of gut here, but Cicero feels insincere.

[cicero]

Cicero is not remotely insincere. If you want to help point out where you think I'm being insincere, I'll be happy to clarify things.

Cicero had a busy weekend and finds Jitsu's posts to be a lot to swim through hence why my analysis of all players isnt done.

[The Fonz]

That is not why I think you insincere. And also, what part of 'gut' do you not understand? My gut said shaft.ed. My gut says cicero, too.

[cicero]

Gut usually has a cause. You should try to find it. You were right about Shaft.ed but you are wrong this time.

Where does your gut stand on Oman, Kison, Billy and Jitsu? Who would be your number three?

Why Erg0? I am insincere (apparently). What do you see with him?

[The Fonz]

Well, I'm currently voting Oman, and I've set out why. My gut is basically neutral on him (though it is to be noted that I more often get a firm town than firm scum feeling on him, just because normal Oman is so scummy).

I don't stand anywhere on the others. I have no interests in lynching them today.

[cicero]

OK. so I'm clear, you're preferred lynch then is Oman with Erg0 and Cicero being places you'd be willing to move at deadline if necessary. Not that Erg0 and Cicero have vaulted over Oman? Correct? I think I had misunderstood.

[The Fonz]

No, I don't suspect Erg0 much at all. I'm very much not willing to move to Erg0, as I said it's Oman or cicero for me at deadline.

[cicero]

re-read your your post 961. You misspoke.

I will vote either Erg0 or Cicero at deadline. There's a lot of gut here, but Cicero feels insincere.

Glad we cleared that up.

[The Fonz]

Oops. Yes, I meant to write 'Oman or Cicero.'

[Erg0]

I want anyone whose considering following my vote to know that I am in no way 100% (i.e. investigation) sure on Kison, its totally my passive insight kicking in (/D&D joke)

You are aware that you haven't actually voted for Kison?

I'm still torn between Fonz and Oman. I guess Oman is looking more likely today, since he seems to be in almost everyone's top 2 (albeit with different people in most cases). I'm getting more of a town vibe from cicero lately, BT is ok, Jitsu is ok, not as sure about Kison but that's probably an issue for tomorrow.

Fonz: how does the scum strategy you mentioned in 961 affect the way you feel about Kison?

[The Fonz]

Worse, obviously. And slightly better about Oman.

[Guardian]

my computer is pretty screwed. if I miss deadline by a few hours, don't worry. I'll get to it. Sorry for no vote count but I'm sure someone can figure it out. Y'all know the deadline rule(s).

[Oman]

Vote Kison

Nice catch there erg0, thanks.

Actually...I don't know if I want that there yet...I suppose there is no harm leaving it.

[Jitsu]

Oman's point about Kison is certainly worthy of consideration, but he's still my best suspect and lynch preference at this point. I think there's a fairly good chance he's scum, and a potential Oman lynch would provide good information.

Kison's latest responses haven't made me feel any better about him, and I'm still trying to figure out what to make of Cicero's play today. I'm interested in his final analysis and where his vote is going to go.

I'll try to reread Day 3 and see if anything else stands out.

@Oman: You sound as if you are not completely happy with your vote on Kison. What is causing that feeling?

@Erg0: Why is Cicero giving you a town vibe lately?