1.
FOS: kloud, dalt, thinktank, xtoxm, kmd, ghostwriter, restfermata, crub, babygirl, Inspector Godot
2.
FOS: Llamafluff
3.
FOS: Goborage
4.
FOS: Farside22
For 1:
LlamaFluff wrote:vote goborage
for even thinking about character claiming
Of course given a restriction of mine I doubt that vote will be of much use.
I have a problem with every single person deciding that it's more important to random vote than to at least acknowledge this discussion if not for Goborage's lines than for LlamaFluff's announcement of his posting restriction. Nobody said in their first post anything about either. You don't have to random vote...
For 2:
You announce that character claiming is bad, but you pretty much roleclaim in your first two posts? However, your claim (apparently that your vote doesn't count) is easily testable, and I think we should have you attempt to hammer whoever we want to lynch. You get the least FOSiest FOS of everyone, because I guess your play is legit.
For 3:
I guess you are joking, but even so, I was confused the second LlamaFluff started accusing you of character claiming, and you didn't really refute this at first. But I guess you're not playing anymore, so w/e.
For 4:
For Rule 10.
There, now that I've FOS'ed everyone, let's continue.
Feel free not to answer the above, it's already been talked about too much.
LlamaFluff wrote:apart from the name claim thing, his willingness to put me under suspicion for just having a vote restiction is scummy to me.
I don't see any reason why the mafia could not have a player with a voting restriction.
I seem to be able to find LlamaFluff's vote in the first two vote counts. Is there any reason why people were suggesting that his vote would not show up on vote counts (i.e. did I miss something?)
LlamaFluff wrote:
Question to you though - If you had my role would you be asking for people to lynch you if it got outed?
I think any doctor is worth more than any townie. I think any townie with a vote is worth more than any townie without a vote. If you go based on these standards, if I had no idea which person to lynch and had no more time to think about it, I'd probably pick you, instead of random. If the tables were turned, I would not self vote (in this case, it clearly doesn't do anything). I would, however, advocate my lynch over the lynch of someone who had the potential to be a doc or a cop.
After much deliberation, I have determined that your role screws us over pretty much equally whether we lynch you now or whether you prevent us from being able to sucessfully lynch the scum later on in the game (Thanks, mod). Why Xtoxm would be advocating your lynch over scumhunting is beyond me. However, I am not opposed to thinking about pulling the trigger if we're caught with our pants down and nowhere close to a lynch, and neither should you.
LlamaFluff wrote:
I think that if we had a massclaim (I am NOT suggesting one) I could point you to an episode that each character could be considered scum from their actions. However some characters would be more considered to be town and others scum. When everyone is known scum can start manipulating cases into partial attacks on who the character is.
So yes I got aggressive when gobo made two refrences to the same character in the way he did. Having people start claiming, even jokingly is a horrible thing as it opens the doors to speculation. I was not attempting to instigate a role claim with my actions but to shut down anyone from following suit.
Do you think this makes him scum?
I am seriously pretending everything you say is in the voice of Hitsugaia. However, it's been a long time since I've seen Bleach, so I have no idea if that's his name or not, or even how to spell it. It's also hard, because I watched in Japanese, and your posts are in English.
Xtoxm is suspicious for suggesting to lynch LlamaFluff on page 3ish or whatever as opposed to later, though. While I find his ideas to be correct, his timing is suspect.
Xtoxm wrote:
This is why I asked Gobo not to answer that, you have just catorgorically said he wasn't roleclaiming, thus meaning you are not Cleveland.
No. I think reborn was very careful about not stating whether or not his role is Cleveland.
If my role name was "dragon" and I said "Dragons rule!" am I role claiming?
His action was not a character-claim, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't saying something that could be misconstrued as roleclaiming.
Kmd4390 wrote:A vote restriction is (likely) not scum.
...why?
Kmd4390 wrote:What's this dalt bandwagon about? Is this really a bandwagon built over a bandwagon vote on xtoxm?
QFT. While I can see why dalt's vote looks a bit suspicious, I would not be surprised if it was something scum saw and decided to jump upon, with a little more tact than dalt jumping on xtoxm's wagon.
Kmd4390 wrote:I doubt that there would be voteless scum.
I doubt that we'll be traveling through space in the next 20 years. I doubt we'll lower our dependence on fossil fuels before we find a new energy source.
But it could happen.
I don't like confirming roles based on what that person says. Picture this: day one, every single person says they have this restriction, and eleven people vote for one person. How do you know which is the one with the restriction?
babygirl86 wrote:I don't see anything overly scummy about ghostwriter at all. Dalt, however is still suspicious to me. Although it was only one day, he has indeed posted since he posted his vote here and left. That makes me wonder if he is avoiding explaining his vote.
unvote, vote dalt
I don't know if you can necesarily conclude that he's avoiding the thread, so this looks like it could be a bit eager to me. I'm also playing with the advanced knowledge that he got replaced.
thinktank wrote:
Assumptions are BAD.
Oh god you don't know how much I like you right now.
My only concern with you is that you seem to be solely responding to what others are saying. I would like to see some hard analysis from you, because I think you are making the most sense.
Inspector Godot wrote:
I'm not sure if he's faking it or not. If he is then it rules him out of being Mafia in my book. I hadn't even thought of a SK being in this game. The fact that you added that whole SK spiel at the end of your post is duly noted.
In a game of lying and deceit, I'll take your word for it...
Are you accusing Elvis Knits of being a potential SK? What does "duly noted" exactly mean?
Please see RestFermata.
GhostWriter wrote:(and I purposely avoided it last time, hoping it'd blow over)
o_O
GhostWriter wrote:To say that is like saying that you feel gobo was a bad enough player to come right out and sneak a claim in, not only at the start of the game, but PREgame.
As much as I'm not a huge fan of breadcrumbing as it is a metagame tactic, I do not find it to be poor play.
RestFermata posts a lot about the Cleavland claim issue, and at this time I don't see her actively trying to do anything other than wait for goborage to speak again. With this specific game, scum will most likely be trying to run down the clock, and this makes her appear to be participating when she is actually not posting much actual content.
I don't like how she waits until post 190, when goborage has been replaced, to bring up all the things she doesn't like about Xtoxm.
RestFermata wrote:I was just thinking earlier today when I was having a snack that BG looked suspicious, but I hadn't noticed the fact that she had avoided the xtoxm wagon until I read you guys' post. Good snooping. It does appear she had a tendency to lightly waltz around accusing him, being very soft on him in general, always preferring to keep the limelight on other players. I also don't like her complete 180. While I too changed my mind, I did it because new information came to light that I hadn't realized before. She seemed to do it for absolutely no reason, or perhaps just because she doesn't want to be alone in her accusation!
I'd be OK with either an xtoxm or BG wagon, as well. If we lynch one and he/she turns out scum, it'll shed more light on the other.
This post is a bandwagon jump of a different kind. Instead of voting for a person, RF quickly agrees with
and congradulates a few members of the town.
Inspector Godot wrote:Good job spotting that BG/Xtoxm connection. It does seem very suspicious. When I have time to do a reread (probably tomorrow) I'll look into it some more.
IG does it too.
I can definately see this action as eager to be helpful without being helpful. Both IG and RF are players that I have not seen go out of their way to hunt scum, or even for that matter, post much in the way of new content.
reborn537 wrote:Goborage WASN'T character-claiming!! I know what you're trying to do, what you're trying to make me say, so stop fishing right now!!
Fishing?
reborn537 wrote:LlamaFluff wrote:I tend to vote a lot in the early game, seriously go meta. Its a fairly logical path too but that doesnt seem something you are concerned about pointing out here.
This basically amounts to "I always act scummy in early game, seriously, go meta."
You can't just say something's a scumtell.
1. I think scum try to avoid scumtells.
2. I think town try to avoid scumtells.
3. I think people play how they're gonna play.
4. I don't see how you can accuse an action as being a scumtell without clearly explaining why, in this case, it is a scumtell. Scumtells must be one time only things, because if you think about it, anything that is a scum tell instanly becomes not a scumtell, since scum will avoid it.
The only legitimate scumtell that transcends games is truthfully claiming scum. Everything else is playstyle.
I'm also going to say that if his vote truly doesn't count, then it really doesn't matter where he puts it, and that alone gives him more than enough grounds to vote every single person in every single post if he felt like it (and was telling the truth).
farside22 wrote:
Auctioner: She had nine STDs.
Represent.
I am going to need to go back and read this over again in hopes of making sense of this. Everything from post 266 onward has my head spinning in a conundrum for some reason, so I am going ask for some clarification here. 
