Open 86 - Lovers Multiball (Game Over)

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.::] Vote Count [::.

Crazy (4)

- icemanE, Harvey Pew, orangepenguin, OpposedForce

charter (1)

- farside22

orangepenguin (3)

- neko2086, cerebus3, SleepyPanda

somestrangeflea (1)

- kloud1516
*

IcemanE (10)

- Cephrir, Erratus Apathos, Alabaska J, WaltWishbone, somestrangeflea, sekinj, Crazy, ThAdmiral, charter, Raging Rabbit

DarlaBlueEyes (2)

- Adel, pwnz

Not Voting (3) - armlx, wolframnhart, DarlaBlueEyes

Thirteen

votes to lynch.

Deadline

hits about 14 hours and 44 minutes from this post.

[Raging Rabbit]

ThAdmiral, is there anything wrong with discussing possible lynch candidates for tomorrow when there is obviously not going to be any alternative to the ice/op lynch today? I see discussion happening, not necessarily the setting up of lynches.

There's a fine line between discussing options and setting up lynches. I don't really think there's any danger of an actual chain-lynch being set up, but it's better to make sure of that by mentioning the possibility, methinks.

I don't see much wrong in discussing options for tommorow in our spare time, it's not like the mafia has any night choices this helps them with.

[Cephrir]

It does kinda look like setting up two consecutive mislynches.

It's not as much of a scumtell in a Multiball game

Actually, I think it's just about as bad. What we have here isn't a scummy example of it in my opinion, there's no reason not to at least discuss tomorrow since we basically know the game state will be, except of course that we don't know Ice/OP's alignment yet.

[icemanE]

Why hasn't the wagon moved back to Crazy yet? Everyone should ask themselves this question. Ridiculous, if you ask me. Even after I blew Adel's case apart, I'm still up for lynch. What will it take to get you to realize how flawed it is? Only thing left to do is wait to die, I guess. Lol. Freakin' good game while it lasted.

[Crazy]

Why hasn't the wagon moved back to Crazy yet? Everyone should ask themselves this question. Ridiculous, if you ask me. Even after I blew Adel's case apart, I'm still up for lynch. What will it take to get you to realize how flawed it is? Only thing left to do is wait to die, I guess. Lol. Freakin' good game while it lasted.

Pff, when a wagon gets past 10 votes, it's almost certainty that that person will be lynched eventually. I don't believe the case on you has been blown apart. Even if it has, the case on Firestarter

hasn't

been blown apart.

[icemanE]

the case on Firestarter hasn't been blown apart.

The case on Fire is pretty weak once you know he's my lover - he was defending me, albeit in a horrible fashion.

And no matter what happens, let me tell you that Adel's case WAS bologna - yes, I said BOLOGNA! It was presented so well that it seemed legit - but it's totally inaccurate.

[Harvey Pew]

The case on Fire is pretty weak once you know he's my lover - he was defending me, albeit in a horrible fashion.

I agree, but clearly no-one else does. In fact it was funny to watch the votes pile up on you

after

I had said you were probably an inno and switched my vote to Crazy.

let me tell you that Adel's case WAS bologna.

What does a town in northern Italy have to do with Adel?

[somestrangeflea]

Waiting for deadline.

Not happy with the "L-1 is badbadbad" crowd, especially people who are complaining about the -1 whilst still voting for Ice. Namely... uhm... Adel.

7. At deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched. In the event of a draw, the player who reached the most votes first will be lynched.

just so everyone is clear, apparently we don't have to worry about non-lynches in this game.

Nightless.

[orangepenguin]

It does kinda look like setting up two consecutive mislynches.

It's not as much of a scumtell in a Multiball game

Actually, I think it's just about as bad. What we have here isn't a scummy example of it in my opinion, there's no reason not to at least discuss tomorrow since we basically know the game state will be, except of course that we don't know Ice/OP's alignment yet.

Iceman, I don't want to die!

Let me just say that there's a lot of scummy people out there. Assuming I am gonna be deadlined lynch, please start looking at those. Yes, still look at Crazy. Look at the suspicious actions in this thread. Don't follow "bologna" cases.

[Crazy]

Let me just say that there's a lot of scummy people out there. Assuming I am gonna be deadlined lynch, please start looking at those. Yes, still look at Crazy. Look at the suspicious actions in this thread. Don't follow "bologna" cases.

If you're town, the best thing you could do now is post some of those suspicions. I know you're suspicious of me, and slightly of charter. Anyone else?

[Adel]

Waiting for deadline.

Not happy with the "L-1 is badbadbad" crowd, especially people who are complaining about the -1 whilst still voting for Ice. Namely... uhm... Adel.

look again.

[Alabaska J]

unvote, vote: Adel

why switch to DBE because she put the L-1 vote on icemanE? Every time I think about it it just rubs me the wrong way completely. You were supportive of an icemanE lynch and then jump off the minute an L-1 was placed. This SCREAMS scum setting up town for a mislynch and then saying "hey guys I told you so." Enough to get me off the icemanE wagon.

Unfortunately, Adel's got the town in his pocket so I fully expect an OMGUS wagon to result. Sorry, my love.

[somestrangeflea]

Waiting for deadline.

Not happy with the "L-1 is badbadbad" crowd, especially people who are complaining about the -1 whilst still voting for Ice. Namely... uhm... Adel.

look again.

Here is a Votecount showing Adel voting IcemanE.
Here is Adel's reasonless Vote for DarlaBlueEyes, which was quickly followed by a reason.

My quoted post had more present tense than it should have. I meant to say that I wasn't happy with people who were attacking DBE's -1 even though they themselves were voting Iceman when DBE voted. I believe the classic "All votes are equally dangerous" argument applies here.

Or, what AJ said.

[Crazy]

I find Adel's switch of votes incredibly strange. But you must agree that it's only scummy if Iceman turns up as scum, correct? If Iceman shows up as town, then there was no scum-motivation for Adel to switch her vote at the last second.

What you have to do when someone does something strange is think "Well, why would they want to do that as scum?" If you can't come up with any reason, then it's not scummy.

Thus, voting Adel right

now

is pointless. What she just did can be perceived as a null-tell unless if Iceman shows up as scum.

[Alabaska J]

I find Adel's switch of votes incredibly strange. But you must agree that it's only scummy if Iceman turns up as scum, correct? If Iceman shows up as town, then there was no scum-motivation for Adel to switch her vote at the last second.

ITP we learn Crazy is fairly unexperienced in mafia.

This confirms my belief she is semi-noobtown.

[Crazy]

I am male.

Please explain why Adel-scum would switch her vote from one townie to another right at the end of the day.

[Alabaska J]

I am male.

Please explain why Adel-scum would switch her vote from one townie to another right at the end of the day.

So that when the townie from the first wagon is lynched she looks like town.

[Crazy]

I am male.

Please explain why Adel-scum would switch her vote from one townie to another right at the end of the day.

So that when the townie from the first wagon is lynched she looks like town.

Yeah, building a case on someone and abandon it at the last second sure makes her look like town, right?

Besides, being on the lynch of a townie isn't even a scum-tell.

Also, there are two scum-teams in this game. How would Adel know that Iceman wasn't scum?

[Adel]

Waiting for deadline.

Not happy with the "L-1 is badbadbad" crowd, especially people who are complaining about the -1 whilst still voting for Ice. Namely... uhm... Adel.

look again.

Here is a Votecount showing Adel voting IcemanE.
Here is Adel's reasonless Vote for DarlaBlueEyes, which was quickly followed by a reason.

My quoted post had more present tense than it should have. I meant to say that I wasn't happy with people who were attacking DBE's -1 even though they themselves were voting Iceman when DBE voted. I believe the classic "All votes are equally dangerous" argument applies here.

Or, what AJ said.

While my case against icemanE was sincere, I became more and more alarmed as other people joined his wagon in a manner that would not leave them accountable in the event of a mislynch. DBE lurking and then finially placing a lynch-1 vote without warning was the last straw. I firmly believe that more strong wagon yield more information, giving the town more of a chance to win in the long run. icemanE's wagon coasting along without additional input from the people joining the wagon is a bad sign.

I have serious problems with a few people who are on the icemanE wagon, including AJ for not being able or willing to explain why he was voting for icemanE. I think it is interesting that he moved so quickly from "what Adel said" as his reason for voting for icemanE to "Adel is scum".

[orangepenguin]

Well, in a few minutes it's the deadline. Regardless of the result, the case was pretty bad. Good job Adel for coming to your senses. Too bad people acted like sheep, and followed you. I don't blame you for the iceman wagon, just so you know.

I will still be following along. Too bad I can't post still.

[orangepenguin]

BTW, I have 0 votes on me, if you look at the post count.

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.::] Final Day 1 Vote Count [::.

Crazy (4)

- icemanE, Harvey Pew, orangepenguin, OpposedForce

charter (1)

- farside22

orangepenguin (3)

- neko2086, cerebus3, SleepyPanda

somestrangeflea (1)

- kloud1516
*

IcemanE (9)

- Cephrir, Erratus Apathos, WaltWishbone, somestrangeflea, sekinj, Crazy, ThAdmiral, charter, Raging Rabbit

DarlaBlueEyes (2)

- Adel, pwnz

Adel (1)

- Alabaska J

Not Voting (3) - armlx, wolframnhart, DarlaBlueEyes

IcemanE

has been lynched! Soon afterwards

orangepenguin

, unable to live without him, commits suicide.

They were

Werewolves

.

Day 2 begins.

With 22 alive, it takes

12

votes to lynch.

Deadline is September 1, 02:00 GMT.

[orangepenguin]

I think this is it?!

[Cephrir]

after I blew Adel's case apart, I'm still up for lynch. What will it take to get you to realize how flawed it is?

^^^ Scumtell.

[Adel]

I'm calling the Firestarter + IcemanE scum team.

Glory onto me when I'm proven correct.

vote: OpposedForce