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[tea leaves]

Whoops.

Those were quoted because I thought about commenting on Isis making up odd reasons for Ydrasse and "wanting" her to be town. I wasn't sure how AI it was at the end though, it could just be because town!her enjoyed playing noughts and crosses with her.

[tea leaves]

I thought you're voting me because you think it's scummy though? Wasn't that what your vote was for?

[Farren]

So the mis-contextualization here is interpreting "I would never do X (because that's not how I play)" with "I would never do X (because I'm not good enough to do it)"?

[Something_Smart]

Reading now.

[Bell]

I thought you're voting me because you think it's scummy though? Wasn't that what your vote was for?

No the miscontextualization is from all his cases that don’t have counter arguments or an attempt to understand me attached.
This is more a failure to understand what I mean repeatedly, like he’s not entertaining the idea he could be wrong. Because that fort sailed when he got a red role.

[Bell]

Boat. Not fort

[Bell]

I thought you're voting me because you think it's scummy though? Wasn't that what your vote was for?

I still strongly suspect this is tvt.

[tea leaves]

But... why are you voting for me then?

:visible confusion:

[Bell]

*looks at early explanations of why I vote people*

[tea leaves]

Because that fort sailed when he got a red role.

I thought you're voting me because you think it's scummy though? Wasn't that what your vote was for?

I still strongly suspect this is tvt.

What what what

[tea leaves]

Ugh, I think it's either you or Isis and it's a shame I'm not more townread to get both of those launches.

[Bell]

*breaks out the challk*

A few of bell’s town beliefs(i’ve really already addressed some of my scum beliefs).

1. Votes can be used for pressure to get a better read or attempt to get a better read on a player or force them to reveal more information to hopefully make an informed decision. If you have suspicions, vote and see where it leads! If you have doubts try to get clarity through gathering more information.
2. You can ~probably~ determine the difference between a town and scum player if you look at the data with the correct lense.
3. Datadatadata.

D1: Bell suspects Ydrasse > votes her and tries to understand her. Engages with others, about her. > bell makes the wrong decision and unvotes ydrasse to pursue a miselimination on gamma instead.

A: This is a common consequence to how I use my vote. If you vote people you merely suspect for something you will end up changing your mind a lot and often because of your focus end up being the person that unvotes. Because I was the one with the suspicions, the wagon naturally collapsed when I made up my mind. GL pointed out that the wagon and the attention on ydrasse would not have existed without me coming in.

D 1-2. bell reads morning tweet meta. > Bell suspects her > bell votes her and questions her. > Bell. makes another decision.
A. Same thing as ydrasse approach. Bottom 3 reads at the time were MT, Ydrasse, farren. GL moved up after reshuffling with thinking MT is town etc.


You can see this in past games too, I think. This doesn’t always mean my vote is on those I suspect, sometimes I really do think they’re scum. But I don’t ever really stop engaging with my reads and this causes a lot of fluctuations.

If you apply this lense you should be able to understand me.

You’re slowly killing my read of you. So here I am.

[Bell]

Moving on.

I notice when I refute a point you tend to either reinterpret me using this new information to still thinking i’m Scum or just ignore it. Is it because you’re hesitant to concede a point sometimes lest it concede credibility?
Do you take stock in that kind of play/thinking?

[Morning Tweet]

Seriously though, please don't partner me with Ydrasse, it's insulting. If I was scum this game, I would never have been able to pull that off with Ydrasse scum.
At least partner me with someone that makes sense.
Like tealeaves. :shifty:

The distancing MT,
I went out of my way to give my partner a hard time when they weren't under suspicion when I came into the game.
It's just something I would ever do, especially when I have no idea how competent they are or how well they would react to me.
It's wifomy, I know, but to me it's pretty obvious that I just don't do that stuff to untested partners.

It's a pointless gamble and I wish other players wouldn't waste their brain power on it, if you're scum, sure go for it, do your best.
But if you're town it's a waste of bandwidth to consider this weird angle.
I don't know why guiltylion switched from his position day 1 (it makes no sense for me to bus Ydrasse) to proposing a ydrasse/Bell team day two.

The defensiveness from Bell here looks over the top, especially since he wasn't even sure Ydrasse was scum at that point (if was after he reconsidered her). This looks like scum who knows he'll be in trouble if Ydrasse ever flips, and needs to nip this in the bud.

The post about Hobbes pairing them especially is self-conscious, as Hobbes later mentions himself actually.

overdefensive yes scummy no

[tea leaves]

Moving on.

I notice when I refute a point you tend to either reinterpret me using this new information to still thinking i’m Scum or just ignore it. Is it because you’re hesitant to concede a point sometimes lest it concede credibility?
Do you take stock in that kind of play/thinking?

No? Whenever you refute something in a reasonable way, my confidence lowers slightly. My confidence in you being scum at this very moment is significantly lower than it was 5 hours ago.

[Morning Tweet]

Scum tea>Isis>Farren ... Guilty, Bell Town

[Morning Tweet]

Wanna murder someone other than Bell tea

[tea leaves]

I'd vote Isis. I have reasons for everyone else being town.

[Farren]

I thought you're voting me because you think it's scummy though? Wasn't that what your vote was for?

No the miscontextualization is from all his cases that don’t have counter arguments or an attempt to understand me attached.
This is more a failure to understand what I mean repeatedly, like he’s not entertaining the idea he could be wrong.

Because that fort sailed when he got a red role.

I thought you're voting me because you think it's scummy though? Wasn't that what your vote was for?

I still strongly suspect this is tvt.

*looks at early explanations of why I vote people*

The bolded part of 2779 and all of 2781 really do not sound like they go together. Even after taking into account 2281's explanation of your voting.
PEdit> And 2781 doesn't gel tonally with 2787. 2787 sounds like it's a scum-case in the making.
PEdit PEdit> bwuh? (2789)
PEdit PEdit PEdit> Maybe I just need to start hammering submit until this goes through. Let's try it.

[Bell]

There is also no day chat for the scum team. Which means I had no means of asking for permission from her to push at her.

Which would explain why you switched off her when it looked like she might go through and didn't commit to launching her. HMMM

[tea leaves]

I stand by that point. Scum!you would feel worse about pushing that bus through to the launch if you weren't able to talk to Ydrasse about it, which would explain why you switched onto her counterwagon when she was getting close to being launched.

I was talking about today's stuff anyway.

[Bell]

I want to make it clear that this interaction is terrible from my POV.

@farren. Crumbing my feelings. I don’t really like pointing to the stuff people miss when context is put in game, but eh. I suspect tea leaves. Which lowered my read of him which caused me to vote him and interact with him and see how genuine his push is.

[Bell]

It conclusion it still feels fairly town to me. Minus how bad the cases are and the failure to account for meta context which might be due to time constraints or might be scum.
Consider this read independent of Clidd which is significantly stronger and led to a delay in trying to read him further.

[tea leaves]

What is "it"?

[Bell]

In other words.
Clidd + tealeaves/2 = lean town.

Clidd = probably town.
Tea leaves = weak lean town.

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