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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:37 am

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Vote Count M-9


Assassin (4): Archer, Foreigner, Rider, Moon Cancer
Caster (3): Saber, Lancer, Caster
Avenger (2): Avenger, Berserker
Rider (1): Ruler
Beast (1): Beast
Saber (1): Shielder

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With 14 servants alive, it takes 8 votes to lock in a master. Otherwise, a master will be selected by plurality rules in: (expired on 2020-09-08 21:23:37)
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:34 am

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In post 724, Servant Rider wrote:
In post 717, Servant Berserker wrote:Who do you want to vote, Rider?
Assassin. Alter Ego. Caster.
Servant Moon Cancer wrote:Where does your aversion to voting Avenger come from, Rider? Your trajectory™ on him is weird - at no point do you say you think he's scum, just that you aren't confident in the town read but you also think it's unlikely scum were gunning for master?
Avenger frustrates me. I can't read them; I've read their ISO more than anyone else's in the thread. The best I can say about them is, at the risk of aping Assassin from a few minutes ago, is they've said a few decent things recently. However, there's also a few things they've said recently that I don't like. None of this adds up to a townread or a scumread for me, and add that to the fact that I have solid townreads on Assassin and Alter, a liquid townread on Caster and gaseous townreads on a couple of others, I'm not voting for a damn question mark.

Further, I do believe scum isn't going hard for the master. But if I'm wrong and they are, it's Avenger. So that's why I'm not voting them today.
I would vote for Caster out of those.

I refuse to vote Assassin, they sketch me out, and I just don't trust AE to make good choices.

Like that assassin wagon does not inspire confidence in me.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:34 am

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My preference is

Avenger
Caster
Berseker
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I don't have other preferences, I would only place votes in those 3, in that order.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:49 am

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If I inhale gaseous townreads, do I become townier?
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:50 am

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I think it's completely possible scum decided to just be as town as they can manage and hope the master lands on them. I also think it's entirely possible that they are campaigning because they're Avenger.
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:53 am

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In post 726, Servant Berserker wrote:I would vote for Caster out of those.

I refuse to vote Assassin, they sketch me out, and I just don't trust AE to make good choices.

Like that assassin wagon does not inspire confidence in me.
Fair enough. Let's talk about Assassin. Why's he sketch you out?
And why do you like Caster?
Servant Caster wrote:If I inhale gaseous townreads, do I become townier?
Nah, I just get to call you a gasbag.
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:13 pm

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In post 726, Servant Berserker wrote:I refuse to vote Assassin, they sketch me out, and I just don't trust AE to make good choices.

Like that assassin wagon does not inspire confidence in me.
how so
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:42 pm

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Berserker I would respect your opinion on Assassin more if you had over 2 town reads.
You really only town read 2 slots after 30 pages?
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:46 pm

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I agree with both those reads and to some degree I don't think either of those players are universal town reads.
I still just think that targetting a player we already know is town is to some degree, a problem.

I thought about it and I think targetting a fully null player isn't the best course of actions, because it's not a cop it's a flip. So going "ah yes we just let that null scum leave the game" isn't particularly helpful. But I also don't like the idea behind just flipping Avenger and seeing his name in lights.
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:46 pm

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Why would the number of slots he townreads make him any more or less credible?
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:49 pm

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I think it's very possible a scum player could just be campaigning very hard ala the way Avenger or Berserker are in hopes they can ride on some level of a high and leave the game early.
It's the reason I am super hesitant to vote Berserker in particular. I think Avenger is probably just campaigning town.

To some degree that's why I am voting Assassin because he strikes me as both town and someone who doesn't want it. I don't think a scum wagon in this phase is going to be noticably shit. The setup is still going to be relatively balanced and we gain the information of knowing who was trying to push something through. So I highly doubt scum are wanting to go particularly deep in order to win this phase since by the end of the game the effects will hardly matter but the information is something we are going to be using for the entire game.

This is the other reason why pushing for confirming a more controversial slot like totally not being town read assassin is a good plan. Since seeing who is against pushinig it through to some degree offers valuable information.

It's sort like why people don't want to just chain lynch lurkers every phase, in a vacuume it seems like optimal play but it never generates information.
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:50 pm

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In post 734, Servant Ruler wrote:Why would the number of slots he townreads make him any more or less credible?
I think having a limited pool of reads is fine, it just makes compromise harder while I am already sitting on a wagon I like.
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:52 pm

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In post 735, Servant Foreigner wrote:I think it's very possible a scum player could just be campaigning very hard ala the way Avenger or Berserker are in hopes they can ride on some level of a high and leave the game early.
It's the reason I am super hesitant to vote Berserker in particular.
If Berserker is scum, she either went rogue yolo fuck everything, or their plan was to not support her? Who would she be scum with in this scenario?
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:56 pm

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A lot of people in this game have been calling Berserker town IIRC, it wouldn't have been too hard to latch onto that and push the vote if that was the plan lol
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:56 pm

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(Same goes for Avenger really)
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:24 pm

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As scum would you want to latch onto it to help push your buddy through?
Or would you try and lay back and wait for town to push it through?

I don't see why scum would want to play in the way you suggest, it's the reason I think we can take advantage of this vote a bit more because scum don't want to just win this vote and create an incriminating wagon.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:26 pm

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Avenger is talking way too much about the future and is town for a wide range of other reasons.
I think if they are scum trying to win this vote they are so capable of faking a town thought process they wouldn't want to get themselves eliminated this fast, even if it helps scum lol.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:33 pm

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In post 740, Servant Foreigner wrote:As scum would you want to latch onto it to help push your buddy through?
Or would you try and lay back and wait for town to push it through?

I don't see why scum would want to play in the way you suggest, it's the reason I think we can take advantage of this vote a bit more because scum don't want to just win this vote and create an incriminating wagon.
This. Hard supporting your buddy is a risky move. They probably are being very careful with s-s interactions right now.
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:43 pm

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I was going to spend tonight rereading, but y'all are having another party!
In post 726, Servant Berserker wrote:I just don't trust AE to make good choices.
I could make a snippy "feeling's mutual" post here, but I think we know that. So, I'll point out that we at least agree on Caster.
In post 726, Servant Berserker wrote:Like that assassin wagon does not inspire confidence in me.
The whole wagon? Specific individuals?
In post 712, Servant Assassin wrote:so: i'm okay with voting avenger because i've liked some of the posts he made recently, i have a vague ~gamestate~ feeling off the wagon on him that he might be town, and it would save me the trouble of having to actually read him

if people are still uneasy about voting avenger (and, like, i get it), i'll take it, or i'd be okay with berserker, because i am reasonably confident their attitude toward the master vote is more likely to come from town (want it -> don't care anymore -> actually maybe i should take it, i don't trust you people). plus, i have the feeling they're a player who likes to go deep as scum and wouldn't want to knock themself out so early.
My main qualm about you getting the buff is that it will probably impact your longevity.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:49 pm

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i feel like caster is scum. i also think that foreigner is scummy for driving paranoia in townies.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:51 pm

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In post 740, Servant Foreigner wrote:As scum would you want to latch onto it to help push your buddy through?
Or would you try and lay back and wait for town to push it through?
Well, let me reverse the situation and talk about it as though this was a normal day phase.

If you wanted to get rid of a town player, would you help your buddy push it through or would you try and lay back and wait for town to push it through?
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:56 pm

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In post 744, Servant Shielder wrote:i feel like caster is scum. i also think that foreigner is scummy for driving paranoia in townies.
This isn't going to work! Try another tactic, scum :]

I hope the other 3 are this easy to catch.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:58 pm

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Shielder got you bruh, that's OMGUS AF
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:59 pm

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In post 744, Servant Shielder wrote:i feel like caster is scum. i also think that foreigner is scummy for driving paranoia in townies.

In what way does he drive paranoia in town because I'm really liking him for town lately.
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:59 pm

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In post 744, Servant Shielder wrote:i feel like caster is scum. i also think that foreigner is scummy
for driving paranoia in townies.
How so?

And Caster is scum because they called you scum?

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