Mini Theme 2158: Cards of Destiny Mafia Game Over

[Hayasaka]

I am not sure why a pro is you guys don't think you can convince the town to lynch Amy.
Like that isn't a point in Amy's favor????

how?

I just don't think "ah yes I won't be able to eliminate them down the line" is a point against someone ever.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't want to say this as a threat.
I just think if NM doesn't get shot at this point I am going to gladiate him tomorrow.

And that is really awkward because if he is town I live and if he is scum I die at night.
But that's all wifom that favors scum more then town since they can dictate how they approach it.

This is a stupid post to make but it something on my mind.

You can Gladiate multiple times?!? Yeah, just do that if you think you need to.

If Ampharos flips red, you don’t even need to do that

[Gamma Emerald]

You made that statement with no conditional regarding Amphy's flip. As such you seem to be perfectly willing to go through with it if Anphy's flips scum. If you do so and NM is town, you have caused a town elimination because you were petty about not getting the flip you thought you wanted now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am not sure why a pro is you guys don't think you can convince the town to lynch Amy.
Like that isn't a point in Amy's favor????

how?

I just don't think "ah yes I won't be able to eliminate them down the line" is a point against someone ever.

I hard disagree with this

This is exactly how scum control games, they make stuff where it’s impossible to get them killed without a change.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am not sure why a pro is you guys don't think you can convince the town to lynch Amy.
Like that isn't a point in Amy's favor????

how?

I just don't think "ah yes I won't be able to eliminate them down the line" is a point against someone ever.

But how is it a point FOR them? Wouldn't it be easier to eliminate town vs. scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

If we all want to play that way @DrP.
If you don't shoot NM then I am gladiating first post tomorrow.

See how this doesn't work?

Honestly, if Ampharos flips red and you Gladiate NM, I’d probably fade you

[Hayasaka]

Sorry can we go back to square one.
This discussion is incredibly stupid and involves a threat I won't follow up on.


Why is Amy flipping scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry can we go back to square one.
This discussion is incredibly stupid and involves a threat I won't follow up on.


Why is Amy flipping scum?

why did you make it then

As for why Amphy is scum, I'm pretty much just acting off of what FL has said, but Amphy is pressuring FL to make a hard read while refusing to do so herself, and seems to be trying to use that hard read as a way to paint FL as scum regardless of NM's flip

[tris]

i really feel like amy is town actually. after reading her iso. day one is still whatever, but my gut is telling me that today's posting comes from town. i'm actually townreading her more than i have any point before.

ahhh, but there's still that paranoia that she's pocketing me ahhhh.

1222, 1239, 1298, and 1299 especially are the sources of the townread. it just seems so genuine.

[tris]

maybe gamma? maybe jjh? i need to take a better look at them

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I find 1299 problematic
Why does Amphy only have 1 suspicion rn, and like that idea just makes the whole post concerning

@Amphy

who are your guesses for who NM's partner is?

[Flavor Leaf]

Ampharos/Tris team.

I’ve explained myself already

[jjh927]

I ran out of data on my phone so I can't post at lunchtimes any more

Happy Friday though, everyone. I'll be here all weekend

[jjh927]

I reckon it's NM/Gamma rn, tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I ran out of data on my phone so I can't post at lunchtimes any more

Happy Friday though, everyone. I'll be here all weekend

[BrightEyedFish]

That links up to the wrong post because the only post I used that word was when I gave my response to KD.

*(((HUGS)))*

I hope you feel better and I’m extremely glad to hear that you’re negative. Can you link the mosts in question: re: Gamma/NM?

Thanks.

~M

Here is the NM post again:

I just find N_M will solve, will have high post density.
But will just never explain anything as town.

And I don't particularly take issue with the first 2 lines. I think is actual current lack of presence is incredibly bizarre for him.
From a crowd analysis standpoint he also isn't under much if any pressure which just strikes me as odd for a field that should be full of scum?

Definitely something I hadn’t thought of - do you mean you’d expect a town!NM to be more low hanging fruit-y and that scum would be trying to drive or set up a miselim on him?

- Daenerys

And here are some gamma posts that give me that same vibe as the NM posts.

Spoiler:

Is it bad that I want to vote gamma just so the wagon will dissolve because it can't fade there and we can move on to someone else.

VOTE: gamma

Who says it can’t?

Do you have a read on gamma?

This

might be the dumbest reason for a vote I’ve ever seen.

- Daenerys

Let's put this to rest.

I've been playing casually since 2011, seriously since 2016. I'm a site administrator at MafiaUniverse.com.

Assertions that I'm new are incorrect as well as annoying, and I guarantee you that's NAI.

Yeah I don’t think someone of this experience level would be self-conscious like I was initially thinking, or feel much need to play defensively regarding mechanics
UNVOTE:

hmmm

I think my feeling of weirdness re: Gamma is more that I didn't read Ampharos' post as self-conscious at all, and even if you assumed that she was new to mafia, I still wouldn't have read her posts as self-conscious, so calling them such seems off to me. Iirc there were several people calling Ampharos towny for outing the neighborhood, so it feels like this could be a shallow attempt to prevent her from becoming a universal TR, if that makes sense

Did you have a read on gamma at that point? do you have thoughts about the 6 pages between your last post and that one? my immediate reaction to that vote is that you're blatantly not fishing elsewhere.

Can you explain how you are "POEd" down to our slot out of the people on the gamma wagon? you don't seem to actually be townreading anyone else on said wagon nor did you say anything about them was AI. I'm having a hard time believing that this is a genuine POE.

- Daenerys

If fish actually thought our slot was scummiest for our positioning on the wagon, why not vote us? Why resort to voting gamma and saying “I hope this deflates the wagon”? It feels like he just made up the other stuff after.

- Daenerys

[BrightEyedFish]

I reckon it's NM/Gamma rn, tbh

jjh is 100% so far in this game. jus' sayin'.

[Hayasaka]

Gamma has took his town cred and just started to aggressively burn it recently.
Quite facinating really.

[Hayasaka]

NM is fadeable. If Not Mafia isn’t venged, they will go down still.

Ampharos red flip also would effectively clear both myself and NM.

this is a very good point for why to venge Amphy I think

If we all want to play that way @DrP.
If you don't shoot NM then I am gladiating first post tomorrow.

See how this doesn't work?

And if Amy flips scum and NM flips town, do you want to get marked as a thrower?

Sorry can we go back to square one.
This discussion is incredibly stupid and involves a threat I won't follow up on.


Why is Amy flipping scum?

why did you make it then

As for why Amphy is scum, I'm pretty much just acting off of what FL has said, but Amphy is pressuring FL to make a hard read while refusing to do so herself, and seems to be trying to use that hard read as a way to paint FL as scum regardless of NM's flip

The top 2 posts followed by the bolding on the third feels off to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess I’m biased right now in thinking Gamma’s been townier than they have the rest of this day phase.

@Hayasaka - explain why, please. The past pages Gamma’s essentially just understood exactly why I’m pushing Ampharos.

Unless you think they’re pocketing me or we’re paired.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why? You tried to threaten the game to want the spot you did, and then fell back on it just a page later

[Hayasaka]

You and Gamma wanted to shoot Amy since you fear you can't fade them, which is you 2 trying to control the game.

"See how this doesn't work?" Was the last line in my threat, I am basically showing how if I counter by controlling the game it all goes to shit.

Gamma retaliates with the threat of saying I'd be a game thrower if wrong.

Then he acts confused on why I would ever threaten him.


It's a super disingenuous sequence albeit I am not actually positive it makes him scum because he could have just done that out of some kind of frustration with my contesting him so heavily.

[Hayasaka]

I don't know if it was clear or not but "See how this doesn't work" in itself I thought was enough to show "see what happens when we all play like this". And not me trying to literally strongarm the game. I wouldn't do it because I think this game has more then just the 3 of us and the greater opinion of the town sorta matters.

I think his follow up threat of saying I'd be a game thrower goes both ways and has nothing to do with anything. Then he is trying to act innocent in the final post like "why ever threaten in the first place then owo".
It's just so weird to me lol.

[Hayasaka]

I probably have the wrong interpretation of the last post in hindsight.

[Flavor Leaf]

You and Gamma wanted to shoot Amy since you fear you can't fade them, which is you 2 trying to control the game.

"See how this doesn't work?" Was the last line in my threat, I am basically showing how if I counter by controlling the game it all goes to shit.

Gamma retaliates with the threat of saying I'd be a game thrower if wrong.

Then he acts confused on why I would ever threaten him.


It's a super disingenuous sequence albeit I am not actually positive it makes him scum because he could have just done that out of some kind of frustration with my contesting him so heavily.

And why are you the one that isn’t wrong here? I believe you are on the wrong side