Evil monkey makes me do a recap:
General note: ghostwriter and kloud, your avatars are too similar.
Post 4: Goborage quotes a line from family guy.
Post 14: Thinktank makes a reference to the evil monkey
Post 15: restfermata accuses babygirl of being killer stewie in drag
Post 16: llamafluff votes goborage for post 4, which he cites as character claiming. llama fluff also tells us his vote is useless.
Thoughts: As far as I could tell, goborage was merely quoting a favorite line from family guy... it was a joke and not a character claim. At least that is how I took it. Thinktank and restfermata make similar jokes/character references, but llamafluff does not have a problem with their comments.
Llama -- why didn't you have a problem with thinktank or restfermata for bringing up characters?
Post 35: IG comes in and makes a random vote on kloud and does not comment on the excitement going on with llama saying he doesn't have a vote. Why come in with a random vote when it seems that the game is moving out of the random vote stage, and there is something more meaty to comment on?
Goborage in post 42 wrote:Anyways as a townie it is my duty to scrutinize your every move LF.
This post sort of bothers me. The indirect reference to being a townie. Sort of forced.
llama in post 43 wrote:Labling me scum for having a vote restiction is in itself scummy though, not a town action. Given rule 12 I doubt im the only one with this problem too. My attempts to end RV stage over this seem futal
I don't fault goborage for being curious about your voting restriction, and I don't agree that it is inherently scummy to ask questions. I also think it's pretty interesting that you think that other players might have this voting problem, yet nobody has chimed in an said they also have the same problem. If llama knows about his problem, I assume anyone else with the same problem would know and might have said something by now.
kmd makes some good posts with 51 and 55. He says voteless player brings us clsoer to lylo just like a mislynch does, so you don't want to llama just because he has not vote, unless you really think he's scum.
xtoxm thinks we're better off lynching llama because he's useless without a vote. This causes, llama, kloud, and dalt, to vote xtoxm in quick succession. I'm not sure I feel about the speed of the wagon. But I do think xtoxm is looking at the lynch a little wrong. Even if llama hurts the town by having no vote, I'm not sure it's a good idea to lynch him unless we think he's scum. Especially since we haven't looked at very many other players today. It seems like xtoxm is pushing the lynch not because he thinks llama is scumm which sets off lots of alarm bells.
xtoxm - do you really think llama is scum and why? Or do you just think the town is better off without him no matter his allignment?
IG post 65 wrote:Unvote, Vote Dalt
Seemed like a very sneaky attempt at trying to get more people on Xtoxm's bandwagon.
IG: What was sneaky about it? What was sneakier or worse about dalt's vote than the others?
xtoxm in post 74 wrote:My point about LF is that he is either an anti-town role, or full blown scum. If he was 100% cleared then I wouldn't want him lynched, but he can be scum. So I think this makes him a very good day one lynch. I did not say I think LF is town, but I want him lynched anyway. I've found his claim to be quite scummy, actually.
xtoxm: can you elaborate why you find the claim scummy? Was it timing or something else?
Post 79: llama talks about the specific of how his restriction works. I'm wondering, do we know everything about how the voting restriction works? Is there anything else you can tell us -- without giving away role info (that's not what I'm looking for)? I guess what I'm really wondering, will you have this voting problem every day? Could it be lifted?
Xtoxm wrote:Well xotxm is the scummiest in my book right now, earning him my "vote", and I look forward to hear some more from him on his policy lynch.
It is not a policy lynch, I never said that and you are putting words into my mouth now. Please don't.
And what more are you expecting me to add about my reasons for wanting you lynched?
I actually agree that it is a policy lynch since it seems to me the main reason you want him dead is not because of how he has played, but just because you think the restriction hurts the town. If there are other reasons you find him scummy, please elaborate.
Post 97: Goborage reappears. His absense is a bit suspicious to me since he was part of the original argument with llama about claiming. Once suspicion turns to llama, goborage disappeared.
xtoxm post 118 wrote:I don't think gobo is scum, he looks very good to me.
And my suggestion did (does) make copius sense, as his presence, if town, move the day we reach lylo forward by one. So lynching him is no loss AT ALL. Either that, or he is scum. But for some reason you guys don't like it.
xtoxm: Why do you think gobo is town?
Also, xtoxm, you don't seem to be looking at anyone else as scum. What are your suspicions?
IG 125 wrote:The only concern I have with Llama's role at the moment is that it could be a very good way of getting the mafia to avoid night killing you. After all, if it benefits them in LYLO then why would they kill you when they could kill someone else and possibly get lucky?
It sounds like you think he's faking it. It also sounds like you think he's not mafia, as you think the claim is a "good way of getting the mafia to avoid night killing you." So either you think he's a SK or town. If you think he's town, you should be against his lynch. Are you? And if you're thinking about SK at this point in the game, it makes me wonder if YOU are mafia, because I usually see mafia worried about SK early (at a time when town are just thinking about catching scum, not telling SK from mafia).
Conclusions: I have a lot of questions and things I would like to discuss. I am suspicious of goborage for disappearing after putting suspicion on llama. I am suspicious of xtoxm for not looking at any players besides llama as scum. I am suspicious of llama for calling out goborage, but not thinktank or restfermata (although I think this point is more minor than the others). But I think I'm most suspicious of IG for random voting in the midst of a meaty argument, then saying dalt's vote was "sneaky." I agree it was shameless bandwagonning, but it was not sneaky. I also don't like the last post that I quoted.
I am very open to discussion though... so please comment on the stuff I have brought up.
unvote
until I decide who deserves my vote most. I'm leaning IG, but I want to hear responses from people I've put questions to.
Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell
