Mini 627 - Riverworld Smalltown - Over!!!

[armlx]

M4yh3m, Cyber being scum would involve him choosing not to double kill in that scenario. He could have just killed Rishi, claimed a track on someone and been clear.

[M4yhem]

He'd have to fake a tracking, wouldn't he...

it was fairly obvious that you had poisoned Alabaska, so he's not off the hook. I'll keep that in mind though.

[shaft.ed]

M4yh3m, Cyber being scum would involve him choosing not to double kill in that scenario. He could have just killed Rishi, claimed a track on someone and been clear.

This is a decent point. Unless the motiviation resolves at deadline after the mafia kill is logged.

[shaft.ed]

He'd have to fake a tracking, wouldn't he...

it was fairly obvious that you had poisoned Alabaska, so he's not off the hook. I'll keep that in mind though.

No basically if he kills the motivator, then noone knows he was motivated. And he doesn't have to fake anything.

[M4yhem]

But he wouldn't be motivated if he killed the motivator, would he?

I don't really understand.

Also, don't both actions have to be the same if you're motivated?

[armlx]

Motivator has to resolve before everything else, otherwise there is no way to get the person to send in another choice for their second shot.

[armlx]

EBWODP:

Also, don't both actions have to be the same if you're motivated?

Mod, if a mafia member is motivated, can they both use their role action and kill as a result of that?

yes

[M4yhem]

Right.

So you're saying, any intelligent scum would kill Rishi to stop him claiming, use the other kill to kill whoever and the claim to track someone like you, whose actions were easy to guess?

I get it. I'm not happy with Cyberbob (bad vibes) but I'll

Unvote, Vote: NabkovNabkov

for attacking me and pushing a different lynch while Pug was going down.

[shaft.ed]

Motivator has to resolve before everything else, otherwise there is no way to get the person to send in another choice for their second shot.

Basically what I'm saying is

Scenario 1
Step 1) Mod waits for ALL actions to come in
Step 2) Sends out Motivation notice
Step 3) Motivation choice made and applied

Scenario 2
Step 1) Mod receives motivation notice and passes it on immediately
Step 2) Motivatee makes choices concious of having two abilities
Step 3) Mod waits for all actions to come in and resolves the night phase


CyberBob could you clarify which of the above seemed to happen?

[armlx]

M4yh3m, I agree if it turns up that one of the 4 of (Rishi/IAUN/myself/Bob) must be scum, he would be my first suspect.

Mod, what is the order of resolving the motivator at night? What happens if the motivator is jailkept?

That should solve things.

[shaft.ed]

Right.

So you're saying, any intelligent scum would kill Rishi to stop him claiming, use the other kill to kill whoever and the claim to track someone like you, whose actions were easy to guess?

I get it. I'm not happy with Cyberbob (bad vibes) but I'll

Unvote, Vote: NabkovNabkov

for attacking me and pushing a different lynch while Pug was going down.

No you still don't get it. Mafia can't get two kills from motivation, but they can kill and use normal abilities. So if Cyberbob was scum and knew he was motivated he could easily kill the motivator and then Track as normal.

[armlx]

Why can't mafia get 2 kill from motivation?

[shaft.ed]

armlx to answer your jailkeeper question:

Jailkeeper
Hider
Motivate
NK Immune
Killings
All Other
Doc
Forensic Investigator

[shaft.ed]

Why can't mafia get 2 kill from motivation?

That just seems wrong because the motivator allows for an extra use of ones "ability." If mafia do get two kills out of it, then I believe Bob to be town.

[armlx]

Hmm, ok.

Mod, ignore my last question. I have a few more though.

1. What happens if the jailkeeper is motivated? Do they get an extra jail keep?

2. If a mafia member is motivated, can they kill twice?

3. If an SK is motivated, can they kill twice and use their ability? Can they use their ability twice and kill?

[M4yhem]

While we are asking setup questions...

CuriousKarmaDog

- if I vote for Claus, does he get my ability?

[shaft.ed]

armlx #1 is yes.

[armlx]

Ok, that makes sense.

This all just makes me angry no one took doc over Double Voter, Hider, or Future man.

[curiouskarmadog]

Mod, what is the order of resolving the motivator at night? What happens if the motivator is jailkept?

That should solve things.

If the Motivator is jailed, then the Motivated can not Motivate. Jailkeeping goes first.

[curiouskarmadog]

Hmm, ok.

Mod, ignore my last question. I have a few more though.

1. What happens if the jailkeeper is motivated? Do they get an extra jail keep?

2. If a mafia member is motivated, can they kill twice?

3. If an SK is motivated, can they kill twice and use their ability? Can they use their ability twice and kill?

1.) yes
2.) No, only works with abilities.
3.) Can only kill once and use abilities twice.

[curiouskarmadog]

While we are asking setup questions...

CuriousKarmaDog

- if I vote for Claus, does he get my ability?

in the future, please bold all questions.

No, Claus only gets abilities from being targetted by abilities at night.

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count

(Page 30, Day 2)

NabakovNabakovob

- 2 (M4yhem)

shafted

- 1 (armlx)

Not Voting:

TheHermit, Rishi, Claus, Alabaska J, NabakovNabakovob, shafted, iamausername, Cyberbob

Note: still looking for a replacement for TheHermit. Deadline 09/08 2:00pm EST. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, 5 is a no lynch

[M4yhem]

Okay, so my reason not to vote for Cyberbob is gone.

Unvote, Vote Cyberbob

[Alabaska J]

Ok, so 12 hours late isn't

that

bad.

I'm not as convinced that keeping Pug alive will be so rosy; it leaves the door open for massive shenanigans if he's scum. Scenario that occured to me seconds after the idea was floated: Pugscum lives, gifts a buddy with NK-immune, says he gave buddy cop. Buddy comes up with a false scumhit, we mislynch. By the time anybody has a chance to do anything, it's D4 and we'd be in perilous LyLo or have lost. Even if it's played totally legit, we still won't have our confimed innocent until D3. The benefit is not as huge as others are making it out to be, and the danger is much more dangerous. (This is all assuming Pug is scum, of course)

I honestly have zero time to make a case on Alabaska right now (eat, run, work). My sincere apologies.

This post is the only one that gives me pause. He gives some pretty damning evidence against Pug here but it could just be NabScum seeing the writing on the wall and helping out with a bus to look town. Also, he finally admits to not having a case on me even though he has preached my lynch as the most important thing we could do.

The recent inventor shenanigans could be genuine or maybe he thought he could pick up TheHermit's role instead and when that didn't happen he didn't get anyone. If he is scum Twomz' role is useless so he wouldn't pick that up.

[armlx]

Do you think Cyber is that scummy relative to Shaft/NN that the loss of an info role right now is worth it? I realize this is bringing roles into the issue, but just saying.