Why Gun?? - Town Win

[Datisi]

ayyyy my only scumread flipped scum, nice

ok here is my thoughts:



i think porkens has to go. the fact that there was a counterwagon (for a bit) there - with players that i mostly think are town - but later on nobody was even trying to shift there even when i was pushing

if pork is scum:
we're on the right track, and the last scum is in max/umlaut/tipsy/isis, roughly around that order but also i'm not sure if it matters

if pork is town:
scum was saving him for later, The Towncore™ is infiltrated, time to reasses the whole game, the wagons, etc, etc

thoughts?

[Tipsy]

looks about right to me. i'd look again at Morning Tweet and the hydra tho. i'm not sure isis defends her scumbuddy that hard.
wouldn't be shocked if both wagons at the end of the day yesterday were scum actually.

[maxwell]

Isis almost feels too scummy to be scum after that end of day yesterday in that I'm not sure scum desperately tries to save an obviously flatlining Norwee end of day yesterday. Not a good assumption, I know, but I can't help the feeling. But aside from wanting Porkens dead no matter what, that leaves me kind of stuck because I don't have terrible feelings toward anyone on the Umlaut wagon.

I felt from looking at VCs Tipsy is probably town but I'm going to need to take a closer look there.

[maxwell]

Quick search of MT on norwee looks kind of bad for MT.

[Tipsy]

i actually think isis is really likely town at this point based on how the day ended yday. notice norway didnt even vote his counterwagon.

[Menalque]

I mean yeah, I agree with datisi and max basically

Me being wrong on which group the scum was in is like ~eh~

It’s not great but I don’t think it’s awful. I still think my townreads are good for now, apart from Isis. I don’t actually know if isis is scum but she was trying hard to defend there and I think I want to guillo her regardless of whether porkens flips scum or not. We’ll see if that changes over the course of today. It does seem odd that the CW would be all town and scum would just not do ?? anything ???

I still thought bell was a viable partner for norwee but fuck my reads this game I guess. Although I still don’t think my townreads are wrong?

I think I’m pretty much in the same spot as datisi, only idk if I see maxwell as much as the others. Dats?

[Menalque]

Oh, also, datisi— beeboy locked before I could post but I’m sorry if I totally misread the tone in that exchange before end of day. Like I said though, it might be something to discuss postgame

[Menalque]

Quick search of MT on norwee looks kind of bad for MT.

Why?

[Tipsy]

if the umlaut CW was all town then umlaut looks v bad.

[Umlaut]

if the umlaut CW was all town then umlaut looks v bad.

Modus tollens says: I don't look v bad, therefore someone on that wagon is scum?

[Tipsy]

seems more likely than scum just not touching a perfectly good counterwagon?

[maxwell]

Quick search of MT on norwee looks kind of bad for MT.

Why?

Lot of "eh norwee is scummy but I prefer this other person" type of statements e.g. 1102

[Umlaut]

seems more likely than scum just not touching a perfectly good counterwagon?

Yeah, I'd say you're right. Scum was either busing or voting me

(or possibly both if you think I'm scum)

but at any rate not vanity-wagoning.

Actually shooting between me and those on my wagon is probably the right call today. If you think I'm town then good, you're right, don't shoot me, but if you need to see my flip before you're willing to scumhunt from my wagon then I get it (just let me get my shot off first please)

[Datisi]

I think I’m pretty much in the same spot as datisi, only idk if I see maxwell as much as the others. Dats?

i dunno, when looking at the norwee wagon, maxwell strikes me as the most likely bus vote (not including from umlaut who was pretty much forced to vote there)

though i'm not sure if pork/max make perfect sense, mainly the fact neither touched the umlaut wagon. though max's defense of umlaut *could* be posturing for what he thought was a wagon likely to go through, and later on he couldn't turn around once he saw that wagon in fact wasn't gonna go through...

i dunno, the day being so short means i'm mixing up the order of some events, and i'm not sure how much energy i wanna put into rereading when our current objective seems to be "porkens has to die" regardless of outcome.

[Menalque]

Yo umlaut why do you think you weren’t killed?

[maxwell]

seems more likely than scum just not touching a perfectly good counterwagon?

Yeah, I'd say you're right. Scum was either busing or voting me

(or possibly both if you think I'm scum)

but at any rate not vanity-wagoning.

Actually shooting between me and those on my wagon is probably the right call today. If you think I'm town then good, you're right, don't shoot me, but if you need to see my flip before you're willing to scumhunt from my wagon then I get it (just let me get my shot off first please)

I mean, we did JUST play a game where we learned this type of wagonomics is not an infallible method (and it was from a wagon on you then, too!)

[Datisi]

Day 1, VC 20

With 13 alive it takes 7 to execute.

norwegianboyee (7) -

jjh927, Tipsy, Keiji and Sara, Maxwell, Umlaut, Bell, TripleHaven

Umlaut (4) -

Isis, Menalque, Morning Tweet, Datisi

TripleHaven (1) -

Porkens

Keiji and Sara (1) -

Norwegianboyee

Not Voting (0)

-

pew pew pew

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-07-29 16:00:00)

Spoiler: Shots

Porkens	Menalque
NorwegianboyEE	Bell
Bell	NorwegianboyEE
Menalque	Tipsy
Tipsy	Menalque
jjh927	Norwegianboyee
Iconeum	Bell
Umlaut	Tipsy
Datisi	Tipsy
Morning Tweet	Tipsy
Isis	Iconeum
Maxwell	Porkens
TripleHaven	Menalque
Keiji and Sara	Isis

[/spoiler]

seems more likely than scum just not touching a perfectly good counterwagon?

Yeah, I'd say you're right. Scum was either busing or voting me

(or possibly both if you think I'm scum)

but at any rate not vanity-wagoning.

Actually shooting between me and those on my wagon is probably the right call today. If you think I'm town then good, you're right, don't shoot me, but if you need to see my flip before you're willing to scumhunt from my wagon then I get it (just let me get my shot off first please)

?

[Menalque]

{Datisi, Mena, Triple, Keiji}
{Isis, maxwell, Bell}
-
{Tipsy}
{jjh927, Umlaut}
{Norwe, Pork}


If Pork is scum, norwe and maxwell are town.

If Norwe is scum, Pork, jjh and maxwell are town

Umlaut and Tipsy aren't scum together

So if Norwe is flipping red, my guess would be Norwe + Umlaut||Tipsy + Isis||Bell

And if Pork is flipping red, my guess would be Pork + Umlaut||Tipsy + jjh||Isis||Bell

And overall my best guess is probably Norwe/Umlaut/Bell actually. Weird cause I kind of like Bell

probably. But I'm sure it's totally wrong and half the scumteam are active posters that have snuck into the town bloc. That'll be fun to deal with!

VOTE: Norwe

@maxwell yeah only right after this she voted here and only came off it when I started arguing that umlaut was scum?

[jjh927]

Ayyy

[Menalque]

I sort of think keiji is cleared from the NK

[jjh927]

Apparently low effort is yielding results for me now

[Keiji and Sara]

TRUST in your friendly policeman ✿

current thoughts are morning/datisi still town; menalque/isis....probamaybe?? morning has been pinging me back and forth all game, but i want to believe effort/engagement/confidence still spills her town...
i'm not sure why "pork needs to go"
i think maxwell looks like a bus vote too, i agree with datisi
i also think umlaut is town

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

I sort of think keiji is cleared from the NK

why is this?

although, i actually thought we were going to die, considering we were one of higher townread players on the scum wagon

~keiji

[jjh927]

Very disappointed by the Bell kill considering I wanna see whether my initial assessment about playstyle was correct or not

I assume scum took the kill under the assumption that the traded shots spewed Bell.
I would further assume this means scum didn't shoot each other, but that's a dangerous assumption to make

[Menalque]

morning has been pinging me back and forth all game, but i want to believe effort/engagement/confidence still spills her town...
i'm not sure why "pork needs to go"

What were the things that pinged you?

And I think killing pork first is solid because in his early game he TRs norwee for ??? reasons and keeps at it throughout