Why Gun?? - Town Win

[Umlaut]

I actually think his iso is very empty but making more of a conscious effort to project town than slots like norwee or porkens. I don’t think he’s really solving in it throughout, and his tales have been very safe things to say — look at where he talks about his shot or his TR on haven. I don’t think he wants to rock the boat

I also just sort of generally think the game doesn’t feel solved, and my current set of scumreads are the people who I think just sort of faded away very quickly while having done nothing of substance vs the shit posters and obviously bad looking players (porkens and norwee mostly)

Menalque, is this the case you wanted me to go back and read? It doesn't look like much to me.

"his iso is very empty" -- guilty as charged
"making more of a conscious effort to project town" -- where am I doing this?
"his tales have been very safe things to say" -- maybe? I'm not going to make up some extra-spicy takes just to demonstrate Effort if I don't actually have those reads, sorry.

I'm not going to claim I've made any MEGA TOWNTELLS here but this case really just comes down to I haven't done anything tryhard yet, if people want to execute me for that then fine but given that you know I have no problem tryharding as scum this just looks like you think I'm an easy push.

[Menalque]

i don't get how you can come to the conclusion haven is picking on scum that's in the blind spot for the rest of us when her strongest scumread is norwee who is currently also the leading wagon

but maybe i'm being nitpicky over unimportant shit

Huh okay, that’s a good point

[Menalque]

"(1)making more of a conscious effort to project town" -- where am I doing this?
(2)"his tales have been very safe things to say" -- maybe? I'm not going to make up some extra-spicy takes just to demonstrate Effort if I don't actually have those reads, sorry.

I'm not going to claim I've made any MEGA TOWNTELLS here but this case really just comes down to I haven't done anything tryhard yet, if people want to execute me for that then fine (3) but given that you know I have no problem tryharding as scum this just looks like you think I'm an easy push.

(1) I think it’s like the general vibe I get from your ISO? As in, you don’t seem to have a “give a fuck” attitude but you also don’t seem invested in the game, so I feel like it matters to you how you’re perceived but you’re not being like pro-actively solvey

(2) Okay, I guess, I just feel like town!you generally has some more takes than what you’ve given so far and this reminds me more of scum!you in that newbie which brings me to

(3) i know you can effort as scum, but I also felt like in that game you generally didn’t until you needed to — like it was reactive tryharidng in response to the gamestate rather than tryharding as like unprompted. I also just don’t think you’re this passive as town

(4) why would I need to push you as an easy push? Unless you want to argue that I’m scumpartners with either of porkens/norwee and I’m trying to keep the heat off them

[Umlaut]

yea actually, can we not maj
UNVOTE: norw

Why not?

[Menalque]

But in the case of (4) I think it’s odd to pass up the cred I would have got from finishing the bus and switching to TRing them

[Bell]

Hi so I saw the deadline for the day and I am here now.

[Menalque]

Hi, the wagons are looking like umlaut or norwee, so you should probably decide who you’d prefer to flip between the two

[Bell]

That is literally why I am here. Saying hello. Before doing so.

[Datisi]

i'd be lying if i said that i'm not slowly starting to feel that Menlaque Paranoia™ in my bones

but saying that now makes me sound disingenuous

big sad

[Bell]

Norwe hasn’t said much but I don’t see much that’s suspicious there. I feel like there’s more mafia on that wagon than the one on umlaut but you know. I can’t read people.

[Datisi]

Menlaque

i don't know what the fuck happened here but this was not intentional, pls don't yell at me mena

[Menalque]

I actually totally missed it until now but now I see it and I hate it

Where’s the paranoia coming from, my positioning on the wagons?

[Umlaut]

(1) I think it’s like the general vibe I get from your ISO? As in, you don’t seem to have a “give a fuck” attitude but you also don’t seem invested in the game, so I feel like it matters to you how you’re perceived but you’re not being like pro-actively solvey

I just don't see how you think I care how I'm perceived based on anything I've written. Point to it?

(2) Okay, I guess, I just feel like town!you generally has some more takes than what you’ve given so far and this reminds me more of scum!you in that newbie which brings me to

(3) i know you can effort as scum, but I also felt like in that game you generally didn’t until you needed to — like it was reactive tryharidng in response to the gamestate rather than tryharding as like unprompted. I also just don’t think you’re this passive as town

I had actual serious "reads" within hours of my replacing in to the game you're thinking of. I don't find making up reads very hard at all, my usual scum MO is to just build up large amounts of towncred by "doing stuff," and I can invite you to read pretty much any of my scum games to confirm that. That said, you also haven't seen me in games full of hyperposters which is where I'm at my worst because I see ten new pages and just go "ugggggggghhhhhhh" and put off reading them and don't want to try and post without having read them. (Probably that means I shouldn't have joined a short-deadline game at all but here I am and I'm not replacing out so I'm going to just hope I do better tomorrow)

(4) why would I need to push you as an easy push? Unless you want to argue that I’m scumpartners with either of porkens/norwee and I’m trying to keep the heat off them

I don't know man, why does scum ever push anyone in particular? Is there someone else you think you'd be advocating to execute if you were scum?

[Datisi]

I actually totally missed it until now but now I see it and I hate it

Where’s the paranoia coming from, my positioning on the wagons?

1327 feels like kinda you're explaining to him why he's scum in a way that you're trying to get on his good side and explain yourself???

which as i'm typing it out kinda smells like bullshit but

tell me why it's bullshit

[Bell]

VOTE: NorweegianBoyEE

[Keiji and Sara]

aa deadline; I think my vote is still viable and I like it where it is

Not particularly swayed on umlaut

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

I’m quite into norwee meta recently and I think there’s a certain level of detachment from scum!norwee which I see here

It’s not just the fact his iso is bad exactly

~keiji

[TripleHaven]

should we let it rand? /j

[TripleHaven]

for the sake of not hamerring, im going to
VOTE: porkens

[Umlaut]

yea actually, can we not maj
UNVOTE: norw

Why not?

This wasn't a rhetorical question btw, I'm curious why you don't want a majority execution.

[TripleHaven]

Because we still have time in the day to discuss

[Morning Tweet]

One hour to be exact!

Or we can end it early to get to the next day quicker (´･ω･`)

[TripleHaven]

One hour to be exact!

Or we can end it early to get to the next day quicker (´･ω･`)

if this is the consensus then i'll vote rn

[Menalque]

I actually totally missed it until now but now I see it and I hate it

Where’s the paranoia coming from, my positioning on the wagons?

1327 feels like kinda you're explaining to him why he's scum in a way that you're trying to get on his good side and explain yourself???

which as i'm typing it out kinda smells like bullshit but

tell me why it's bullshit

Because I’m trying to engage with him in good faith in the event that I’m wrong about him being scum?

Sometimes I’m very dismissive, that’s true. Sometimes it’s because I’m super sold on the person being scum, sometimes I’m exaggerating a little to get people to go along with me etc, but I don’t think me treating umlaut in good faith as I’m engaging with him is something that should be worrying about me

[maxwell]

yea actually, can we not maj
UNVOTE: norw

Why not?

This wasn't a rhetorical question btw, I'm curious why you don't want a majority execution.

Pretty sure this comes down to differing site meta.