SSW III: Game over

[Johoohno]

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch before deadline)
(3) raider8169 – SpyreX, Lord Gurgi, Porkens
(3) Septia – farside22, donkeyz12212, cerebus3
(1) donkeyz12212 – Jebus
(1) Jebus – Cass

Not voting:

raider8169, Septia

Deadline:

Saturday 9 August 2:00 PM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[raider8169]

I like Jebus' plan only I think Septia is the best lynch for tonight.

Between the 4 actions takein that should give enough information to clear this group and then we can move on. It makes sense as this is the first group looked into as most people seem to not belive it.

Vote Septia

[donkeyz12212]

I sent in my tracking choice.

At first i had it for jebus, then switched to septia, now im back to jebus again.

So if votes change, Let me change my tracking before anyone hammers.

[Porkens]

@ Jebus:

-If what's been said about she-wolves being one-way lovers who commit suicide when their cub dies, then the multiple she-wolf idea can be justified, assuming Gurgi or Spyrex suicides today.

We've already seen a cub die; by your interpretation of the role, wouldn't Spyrex and/or Gurgi be confirmed liars?

Also

, Don't worry about dying if your a nexus right?

[cerebus3]

@jebus: Have you ever played as a JOAT-type role before?

[Cass]

I still want jebus to tell us more about his flavor. He also fo the most part ignored my case on him. He refuses to call raider and Donkey liars, yet i can't see both roles (him & Donkey) being town. All those leaning to Donkey being honest, do think it's possible we have an Alpha

and

a Hero? Do you not see the scumtells I found on Jebus?

It's not that I am against the Septia lynch (though I'd really love her to come in and defend herself before we decide!), Jebus just seems a safer bet. But if everyone doesn't agree, I guess I'll just hope town gets lucky on this one

[raider8169]

It would make sense that Hero is a human flavor as the werewolf version would be an Alpha. So it would make sense that the Hero is the rival to the alpha.

I agreed with your case though. As I said before I am ok with Jebus or a Septia lynch as I think we will get more information out from lynching them and then the night actions that follow then if we lynched anyone else.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex, I'm willing to assume you are honest for now. I'm less sure of Gurgi. He has seemed scummy to me for a long time and he's really buddying up to you now. He could easily have copied your claim, it wasn't hard to conclude there were two cubs. Yes, this would make him either a black wolf or Farsides buddy.

I don't think I said that? Five was my highest estimate, I think. Right now, I thnik it's five or maybe four. (I don't even want to think about cults.)

I didn't see that Coheed was one of your wolf calls. Sorry.

Yes, it isn't hard to conclude there is two cubs - which, considering my role, doesn't make me think twice about there being two mothers. Especially since I had evidence of similarities in our roles before the claim (you, also, having village helps that).

SpyreX, you keep changing who is the lynch for the day and granted you have faithful followers I hope you are town otherwise it should be an easy game for you to win. Killing me removes protection from the Alpha. All you do with my death is confirm the Alpha but not even then as I have not investigated him so please reconsider the information you can get from it. I say let me investigate tonight, report tomorrow and then when I go out you have some information.

You know, I'd take you a lot more seriously if you just said I think you are scum. How much vote jumping have I had today? I'll give you a hint - you and donkey who have both tied yourselves together and, really, I dont believe it.

Killing you CONFIRMS the damn Alpha, in about the only way I'd really believe at this point. He also has his own BP, so its not like I'm confirming him to have him die tonight. It ALSO gives us scum in Jebus.

If that wasn't enough to see why, IF you are scum, we do NOT kill our useful power role today - that leaves the scum with letting either the Joat / Cop alive.

farside investigates me.
I rolecop donkeyz, and track raider.
Donkeyz tracks farside.

So.. you get two night actions? I dont remember this being brought up before.
Also, this plan has multiple ways of falling apart:
1.) Farside gets NK'd
2.) Donkey gets RB'd
3.) Both the above happen.
4.) If YOU are a SCUM WOLF, you're results are about as easy as you can get AND Farside would get a non-human on you.

But, if we're laying out plans:
- Lynch Raider
- Farside Investigates Jebus
- Donkey Tracks Septia
- Jebus Vig's (Donkey if Raider is scum / ?(Cass / Cerebus / Porkens) if Raider is town)

My reasons.
1.) Raider lynch determines Donkey's alignment.
2.) Farside investigates: Not Donkey, Septia or Jebus.
3.) Donkey makes sure Septia has no night actions (if she does, lynch). As he has claimed BP, he can not be killed so.
4.) If Raider is scum, Jebus makes use of an ability before he's killed. If Raider is town, Jebus will only have any chance of clearing himself with a vig shot - I am NOT going to buy scum vig and, in other games, vig flavor was different.

Instead of focusing on one area, lets pull as much information out of the mess as possible.

Septia IS NOT the lynch for today. There's a dozen ways to check out someone who has proclaimed no night actions. We get no further information from the lynch on other players and, if the role is true, we just hurt ourselves.

Thoughts?

[raider8169]

Killing you CONFIRMS the damn Alpha, in about the only way I'd really believe at this point. He also has his own BP, so its not like I'm confirming him to have him die tonight. It ALSO gives us scum in Jebus.

This is something I was not trying to stress today but it seems I dont have much of a choice. I CAN NOT confirm the alpha until I investigate him tonight. My lynch only proves my alignment. We have more roles that can kill people. If you remove the protection I can offer then you are leaving the alpha to be killed that much faster. I dont understand what is so hard to see about this.

If you want to lynch me fine, just do it tomorrow when I can give information to everyone else first.

[Cass]

Spyrex, your plan isn't bad, but I fear we have to assume two nightkills, which makes it hella risky. Plus I'd rather lynch someone who I'm convined is scum.

[Porkens]

But there's only one Alpha Claim, raider.

[Porkens]

Spyrex, your plan isn't bad, but I fear we have to assume two nightkills, which makes it hella risky. Plus I'd rather lynch someone who I'm convined is scum.

Like I said before; it is possibly Mylo if the scum get 2 NKS and they hit the right she-wolf.

[Cass]

At best, Jebus is a vig

who I cannot trust

. Yes, I'd prefer to lynch a power role actually, he's going to hurt us bad tonight if we leave him alive. His results tomorrow will only cause a boatload of wifom. Even if he is town, a very scummy vig running around in town will not allow me to sleep easy...

[raider8169]

My reasons.
1.) Raider lynch determines Donkey's alignment.
2.) Farside investigates: Not Donkey, Septia or Jebus.
3.) Donkey makes sure Septia has no night actions (if she does, lynch). As he has claimed BP, he can not be killed so.
4.) If Raider is scum, Jebus makes use of an ability before he's killed. If Raider is town, Jebus will only have any chance of clearing himself with a vig shot - I am NOT going to buy scum vig and, in other games, vig flavor was different.

Also we dont know if the alpha BP vest has been used. As there have only been one kill each night it could mean something as they have been hitting bullet proof vest or they may have missed a night action, who knows your plan does not take that into consideration which I find to make it a bad plan.

[Cass]

Spyrex, your plan isn't bad, but I fear we have to assume two nightkills, which makes it hella risky. Plus I'd rather lynch someone who I'm convined is scum.

Like I said before; it is possibly Mylo if the scum get 2 NKS and they hit the right she-wolf.

Yes, true, so what do you suggest we do about it?

[raider8169]

But there's only one Alpha Claim, raider.

This is true but that is assuming you trust the claim. I do trust the claim but I can not confirm it is what I am trying to get at.

[SpyreX]

What is the assumation of two NK's?

I'm pretty sure Donkey said he still has his BP.

I am NOT lynching Septia today. If the town is sure for, whatever reason, that Donkey and Raider are town (whcih I'm not) - I would vote for Jebus.

[SpyreX]

Edit - Which I'm not convinced of.

[raider8169]

SpyreX, will you admit to that nothing will convince you other then us being killed that we are town?

[cerebus3]

Also we dont know if the alpha BP vest has been used. As there have only been one kill each night it could mean something as they have been hitting bullet proof vest or they may have missed a night action, who knows your plan does not take that into consideration which I find to make it a bad plan.

This is why I asked donkey earlier if he knows when his bullet proof is lost. I don't think he answered though.

[SpyreX]

If Jebus is hung and is scum, I'd be more inclined to believe you.

But, hell, I've thoguht you two were scummy ALL game and you two on claim-day walk hand-in-hand with a role that protects the other that already has protection?

Yea, for some reason that is hard to swallow.

[raider8169]

If Jebus is hung and is scum, I'd be more inclined to believe you.

But, hell, I've thoguht you two were scummy ALL game and you two on claim-day walk hand-in-hand with a role that protects the other that already has protection?

Yea, for some reason that is hard to swallow.

But yet you can buy into a princess role?

[SpyreX]

Yep, I've bought into it. Thats why I'm saying to CONFIRM it.

Ok, lets try it like this.
If you and Donkey are town:
Lynching you, proves that the power role is town.
If you and Donkey are scum:
Lynching you, proves that Donkey is scum handing us two scum.

ON THE OTHER SIDE:
If Septia is scum:
We get a scum, no other real information is given.
If Septia is town:
We lose a day AND if the conditional doesn't work, mafia kills two (or 3) towns.

Notice how, of the 4 scenarios above, only one has absolute negative consequences for the town? Notice how I'm steering away from that and, of course, trying to confirm it BEFORE we lynch.

[SpyreX]

My first line was sarcasm, just in case.

[cerebus3]

Your septia, if town, scenario will occur if we lynch him or not SpyreX. The scum will just NK him for free.

The best thing to do is judge whether or not you think it is a false claim. worrieing about what might happen if he is town wont work