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[innocentvillager]

This essentially proves that the chance i am scum is currently lower than 2/5 chance

this is assuming me BM and word are all town hmmmmmmm

+1

[NorwegianboyEE]

You are playing just like your past scumgame. Visibly obvscum with your takes.

which game?

This one. (Awful game btw)
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[innocentvillager]

Scum motivation is to protect one of my scum teammates, town motivation is to protect yourself and vote scum

i don't understand if you are scum with nash and we are all wagoning you isn't the obvious scum!motivation to defend yourself because if the wagon goes through you lose?

i feel like your self-defenses this game don't really make sense

Why would self-defense not make sense? We're one lynch away from EYLO. I'm not the type of player to surrender just because i'm heavily scumread. I will fight teeth and claws to defend myself no matter my allignment. Saying it's scummy for me to defend myself is just plain wrong.

that's not what I'm saying I've said you would defend yourself regardless of your alignment but you are for some reason using this as an argument that town!you would defend yourself but scum!you would divert attention to deimos/nash or whatever?

Why wouldn't scum!me just agree that you are right on Deimos/Nash being scum and redirect your attention there? Instead, all i'm doing really. Is defending myself from the ones on my wagon i read as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My reads right now are

Town

- Innocentvillager

Light townread

- Word321

Null

- Deimos27
- Nash

Scum

- Battle Mage

[NorwegianboyEE]

that's not what I'm saying I've said you would defend yourself regardless of your alignment but you are for some reason using this as an argument that town!you would defend yourself but scum!you would divert attention to deimos/nash or whatever?

Because as scum i'm always thinking of gaining another mislynch. But as town i want to genuinely find scum.
Playing as town vs scum are genuinely different playstyles i keep in mind for every single game.

[word321]

norwee, with all due respect, ur arguments r insanely weak
bms meta has been on point, we need 100% town vote to lynch from the nature of the game so it is necessary to gather every support possible, u asked for my opinion when the only possible bad scenario is me trying to become unrelated to the hammer of a town from town persepective, when the most profitable alternative is getting towncred by the defense of the rashness by other town
well, nothing will change the fact that BM has his target, and I rly dnt think that innocent villager will change his mind at some point; that by itself is already damning, if anyone of em is town, cause that means we have 100% of a townhammer this round.

its a hole for both town and scum. The thing is that this kind of scenario has a possible alternative; death by overpush, where the arguments given become increasingly weaker and the idea that we r lynching scum and u r trying to ditch a defense becomes more and more plausible, in a self feeding loop. But given the evidence, and bc this is just a game, i rly would go for the hammer a priori.

thats what I mean.

and yes, u r right with ur probabilities; the state of the game pushes it that way.
but it is a fallacy to work only with raw probabilities; none of us have strong connections to each other by attitude. the fact we default to nash and deimos is not due to simple probabilities to defaulting on ppl who dnt talk, but by making connections with already aquired knowledge. its simply how the game developed.

(answering the previous questions)

[NorwegianboyEE]

For example. I'm stating that if i were scum here, you could expect me to agree on you that one of Deimos/Nash are scum. And then i'd push for the one of them i know isn't town. But here i'm not wanting to vote either of them, because we don't know which one of them it is.

[Battle Mage]

This essentially proves that the chance i am scum is currently lower than 2/5 chance

this is assuming me BM and word are all town hmmmmmmm

+1

in fairness, it's pretty obvious from Norweg's panicked floundering around that his scumbuddy is one of the absentees. Otherwise he would have taken breaks to talk to them in the PT. They obviously ain't here, which is part of the reason he's desperately stalling for time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

See? BM isn't even considering the possibility of town!me. You two are. It's so blatantly obvious he's the one pushing in bad faith here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't mind being lynched if you two can prove with 100% absolute certainty that a town flip of me guarantees BM being the lynch tommorow. With no exceptions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Believe in me. I know know my shit here. Even if i'm not the best at pushing my arguments.

[innocentvillager]

See? BM isn't even considering the possibility of town!me. You two are. It's so blatantly obvious he's the one pushing in bad faith here.

+1

[Battle Mage]

My reads right now are

Town

- Innocentvillager

Light townread

- Word321

Null

- Deimos27
- Nash

Scum

- Battle Mage

scummy readslist alert!

3 people gunning for you, so you put 2 of them as likely town and try and pick off the other, while leaving your scumbuddy as null.

[Battle Mage]

Believe in me. I know know my shit here. Even if i'm not the best at pushing my arguments.

appeal to emotion again.

please keep begging for your life though, i'm enjoying it immensely.

[Battle Mage]

I don't mind being lynched if you two can prove with 100% absolute certainty that a town flip of me guarantees BM being the lynch tommorow. With no exceptions.

if you're town and your gameplan is to deliberately throw the game, that's pretty lame. I don't think that badly of you though, don't worry.

[NorwegianboyEE]

3 people gunning for you, so you put 2 of them as likely town and try and pick off the other, while leaving your scumbuddy as null.

Pft.
You're so bad at this.
*Leaving my scum buddy at null*?
I'm literally stating that one of your most likely teammates are in that null pile. The fact that you townread both of the guys pushing for me to such an extent without questioning it. Basically proves your own point against me that i'm: "townreading based on pre-existing knowledge".

[Battle Mage]

See? BM isn't even considering the possibility of town!me. You two are. It's so blatantly obvious he's the one pushing in bad faith here.

uh oh "in bad faith". a phrase rarely used by somebody pro-town.

[Battle Mage]

3 people gunning for you, so you put 2 of them as likely town and try and pick off the other, while leaving your scumbuddy as null.

Pft.
You're so bad at this.
*Leaving my scum buddy at null*?
I'm literally stating that one of your most likely teammates are in that null pile. The fact that you townread both of the guys pushing for me to such an extent without questioning it. Basically proves your own point against me that i'm: "townreading based on pre-existing knowledge".

So bad? dude I'm picking up the easy Day 1 win thanks to you, I'm doing goooooood!

[NorwegianboyEE]

See? BM isn't even considering the possibility of town!me. You two are. It's so blatantly obvious he's the one pushing in bad faith here.

+1

You're giving me townpoints right?
Thanks!

[innocentvillager]

For example. I'm stating that if i were scum here, you could expect me to agree on you that one of Deimos/Nash are scum. And then i'd push for the one of them i know isn't town. But here i'm not wanting to vote either of them, because we don't know which one of them it is.

you said yourself that there is no way to distinguish between them because they haven't posted, how would scum!you even push "one of them"?? this makes no sense

+1

[Battle Mage]

the last game we played together, it took me until like Day 7 to beat you

[NorwegianboyEE]

3 people gunning for you, so you put 2 of them as likely town and try and pick off the other, while leaving your scumbuddy as null.

Pft.
You're so bad at this.
*Leaving my scum buddy at null*?
I'm literally stating that one of your most likely teammates are in that null pile. The fact that you townread both of the guys pushing for me to such an extent without questioning it. Basically proves your own point against me that i'm: "townreading based on pre-existing knowledge".

So bad? dude I'm picking up the easy Day 1 win thanks to you, I'm doing goooooood!

You're literally the most annoying player alive. I knew i should have outed when you /inned.

[Battle Mage]

See? BM isn't even considering the possibility of town!me. You two are. It's so blatantly obvious he's the one pushing in bad faith here.

+1

You're giving me townpoints right?
Thanks!

i can't tell if you're trying to kiss ass here, or didn't figure out what the +1 meant because you were tunnelling me so hard, or both?

[Battle Mage]

3 people gunning for you, so you put 2 of them as likely town and try and pick off the other, while leaving your scumbuddy as null.

Pft.
You're so bad at this.
*Leaving my scum buddy at null*?
I'm literally stating that one of your most likely teammates are in that null pile. The fact that you townread both of the guys pushing for me to such an extent without questioning it. Basically proves your own point against me that i'm: "townreading based on pre-existing knowledge".

So bad? dude I'm picking up the easy Day 1 win thanks to you, I'm doing goooooood!

You're literally the most annoying player alive. I knew i should have outed when you /inned.

As I've already warned you once dude, no more personal attacks. You can self-vote if you're scum and we can end the game early. Or if you can't keep your emotions in check, you can take a break and stop posting for a bit.

If you're town, you could try actually scumhunting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah well, i better go to sleep now. Talking to scum!BM is like having a conversation with a rock/tree/broken record anyway. I'm not exactly missing out.