Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

[Almost50]

And you CAN argue that it's 3v2 and I'm one of the 2 to get it done. Go ahead. You have my blessings.

[Almost50]

So, "what if there's an SK and that SK is BP?" you might ask. Well, good for them. I just handed them the game. But you still need to vote me before that happens.

[Almost50]

@SK: If you are BP you need to shoot the Mafioso and play a 2-1 Elo (unless he also wants to throw and decides to shoot a townie). Or maybe, he just has bad reads and doesn't know it's you, in which case you still need to shoot him EVEN if you are not BP.

[Almost50]

@JV: What's taking you so long? Come vote me

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually, you know what? My lynch doesn't hurt the town that much. It just brings the 2-1-1 situation right now, and whichever of you doesn't kill the other loses. The only difference is you can both agree to share the win (which would be lame tbh).

So, let me help you there:

VOTE: A50

What are you even doing?

[JacksonVirgo]

Dude unvote yourself, even if you are town and do have the right logic which I don't think you do hammering now cuts discussion time and I need it to fully get the gist of this game.

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually, I think I see where your head is at. Alright

[JacksonVirgo]

@JV: What's taking you so long? Come vote me

Actually, I think I see where your head is at. Alright

Do I vote you?

[Almost50]

Well, if I'm not hammered till I come back in 12 hours then we know it's not 2 Mafia (or that I am one of the two)

P-edit: YOUR decision, not mine.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am not 100% confident we have the same mind-set so I will probably not go with what I was planning on doing as it's too risky especially if I had a brainfart somewhere.

I was personally thinking you were trying to bait a scum hammer so that we can lynch that tomorrow assuming at least one scum kills the other again. I was gonna vote there to bait further into that although considering we may just outright lose if town is lynched and scum don't hit scum I think that play is the wrong course and we should instead try to lynch scum. This is assuming Almost is town which is possibly not even the case.

[Almost50]

Well, here's where your logic is messy: If Scum hammer me they get shot by the other scum, so you won't be eliminating them tomorrow, that's for sure. The question is whether that scum that hammered will also shoot their opponent or shoot a townie. Either way the game ends TONIGHT, and they who hammer loses in both cases.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, here's where your logic is messy: If Scum hammer me they get shot by the other scum, so you won't be eliminating them tomorrow, that's for sure. The question is whether that scum that hammered will also shoot their opponent or shoot a townie. Either way the game ends TONIGHT, and they who hammer loses in both cases.

So we were thinking the same thing? Give me a second to think

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, here's where your logic is messy: If Scum hammer me they get shot by the other scum, so you won't be eliminating them tomorrow, that's for sure. The question is whether that scum that hammered will also shoot their opponent or shoot a townie. Either way the game ends TONIGHT, and they who hammer loses in both cases.

That would be the case assuming two non-bp scum roles alive right now. But even assuming just one of the scum is BP it wouldn't work how you're seeing and I'd rather not leave this to chance. Assuming there's a mafia and a 3p (with the 3p being BP) and assuming that you're Town.

I think your logic is ignoring the fact that it's probably safer to just push into a kingmaker scenario as scum than risk just outright losing. Scum could just decide to have the hammering scum attack the IC and the other shooting a random town that isn't the hammerer to push to either a 2v1v1 or a 1v1v1. Even if scum is "scared" that a town hammered to fool, they could just both attack the IC to force a 2v1v1.

Pushing this to chance is not ideal but I can see the benefit in the risk, not entirely sure if it's worth going for though.

[Almost50]

I don't get a word you're saying! If I get hammered and one scum shoots the IC then the other can't shoot a "random" townie because there's only one townie left that's not me or Titus. If that happens the share the win and the game still ends tonight. If they both shoot Titus then the remaining townie will abstain from voting thus forcing both scum to accept a draw (or both vote then to still share a win). In short, nobody deserves the solo win unless they earn it, and they can only earn it by shooting the other scum.

In short, your middle paragraph makes no sense at all.

Now let's assume the SK is BP. The only way they don't win (if I get lynched) is if they do not shoot the Mafia (and the Mafia shoots them correctly). In this case we do emerge into that 1-1-1, and the townie still abstains.

I have said it once and I'll say it again: If Nor is the SK then I'm OK handing him the win here. If it's between you and LL I would love for you two to battle it out.

So, if you're not scum we need to eliminate LL today or go for No Elimination. If you are scum (either of them) you need to EARN your win, cuz I sure as hell am nit going to help you achieve it.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh did I did a stupid? I'll read that soon

[JacksonVirgo]

Bro I am not convinced you're not the mafia here.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna have to read a lot more so be patient with me fam, replacing into a lot of pages is time consuming to catch up on

[Titus]

A50, I really think EE is scum here.

[Titus]

We should not act hastily. EE snd I are still on VLA.

[JacksonVirgo]

We should not act hastily. EE snd I are still on VLA.

Only one that's being hasty is 50

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mostly just skimmed posts, but got some initial reactions.
A50, why are you self-voting? It’s anti-town and i don’t understand it.
Titus, can you explain your reads and thoughts behind them? Might as well see some openness from you as the IC.
Really surprised about that Cakez kill btw, he looked scummy to me and i don’t see why he’d die unless it was intended as a frame kill.
Be back later.

[Almost50]

OK. I am back and I have not been voted by anyone else, so I guess we can conclude that it's 3-1-1 (but JV can feel free to still think it's 3-2 with me being Mafia).

UNVOTE:

@Titus: I am not writing off Nor as "SK" (that's more likely to me than him being Mafia according to how he's been playing). As I said; I'd rather him win if Town doesn't because he's not making "really bad" arguments and assumptions at the very least.

Yet again, this isn't my game (I wasn't a starter) and you are the IC, so I'm going to vote with you once you've settled on how to go from here.

[Almost50]

A50, why are you self-voting? It’s anti-town and i don’t understand it.

It has been explained thoroughly and it isn't anti-town in this situation. No townie would have dared put a second vote on me, and NO SOLO SCUM would have either. I would have only been hammered IF there was 2 of the same team alive. which is now apparently not the case.

Now, who would you want to eliminate between A50/LL/JV, and why?

[Almost50]

Btw, since this is almost over anyway, I am going to state how >I< would have played it out if I were Mafia/SK: For me, the right play is to eliminate the "other scum" today. That should be my sole objective. Eliminating my opposition guarantees I survive the night and then we see who win in a 2-1 situation. Going for a Townie today is stupid because there's every chance that I should be shot tonight by the opposing scum and then I would have lost anyway. I can't even wait for the hammer to fall and "offer" my opponent a joint-win because how would I know they'd accept it? What if they don't? I would have outed myself.

And THAT is one reason why I prefer Nor to win if he is not Town. He's playing the correct way (from my own PoV). JV/LL coming at me is really bad play. They should have -at least- considered each other, which they didn't. (JV for no real reason, and LL because he's trying to twist everything into a narrative that fits his agenda and is often retracting when it's made obvious he is going astray)

I'll even add this bit: If I was scum and managed to eliminate the other scum today I would consider a No Kill tonight, so we are 3-1 tomorrow. Evens are statistically worse for Town than Odds (It takes all 3 townies to vote together in order to get me lynched) so it might be the best move (not sure if that's what I'd do, but

I will consider it

)

[JacksonVirgo]

I am not saying I'm not considering LL, they were my SR before day-start. Unsure rn