Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1700 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:15 pm

In post 1696, Almost50 wrote:You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking of No Elimination. Scum can shoot each other or can shoot town. If they both shoot town though they make the last townie as a kingmaker. If only one of then shoot town and the other shoots the opposing scum we're in a 2v1 Elo. If they both shoot each other we win.

The only problem here is if Titus' theory is spot on and we are indeed 3v2 now, so No Elimination = surrender.

@Virgo: Why did you dismiss the 2 Mafia teams after last night?

Town is in control and you want to cede that control?

Almost50 · Post Post #1701 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:15 pm

To be more clear on the above: Either scum not hunting for the other is them playing against their own win con (assuming there is a SK and nor a 2-person scum team remaining)

P-edit: We are nopt talking about ONE team with 2 kills (that's absurd). We are talking about TWO TEAMS with a kill each,

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #1702 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:16 pm

In post 1701, Almost50 wrote:To be more clear on the above: Either scum not hunting for the other is them playing against their own win con (assuming there is a SK and nor a 2-person scum team remaining)

P-edit: We are nopt talking about ONE team with 2 kills (that's absurd). We are talking about TWO TEAMS with a kill each,

Oh, I've never played a game where that is a thing... Sorry

Almost50 · Post Post #1703 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:16 pm

I'll wait for both Titus and Nor to say their piece about this.

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #1704 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:17 pm

In post 1700, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 1696, Almost50 wrote:You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking of No Elimination. Scum can shoot each other or can shoot town. If they both shoot town though they make the last townie as a kingmaker. If only one of then shoot town and the other shoots the opposing scum we're in a 2v1 Elo. If they both shoot each other we win.

The only problem here is if Titus' theory is spot on and we are indeed 3v2 now, so No Elimination = surrender.

@Virgo: Why did you dismiss the 2 Mafia teams after last night?
Town is in control and you want to cede that control?

It could be them being 3p killer and having a BP so they know that the situation can only get better or the same from here from that perspective (I think?)

Almost50 · Post Post #1705 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:22 pm

In post 1702, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1701, Almost50 wrote:To be more clear on the above: Either scum not hunting for the other is them playing against their own win con (assuming there is a SK and nor a 2-person scum team remaining)

P-edit: We are nopt talking about ONE team with 2 kills (that's absurd). We are talking about TWO TEAMS with a kill each,
Oh, I've never played a game where that is a thing... Sorry

Well, considering this is a Normal there is NO Mafia Vig (Vigilante is only white listed for TOWN).

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1706 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:26 pm

In post 1701, Almost50 wrote:To be more clear on the above: Either scum not hunting for the other is them playing against their own win con (assuming there is a SK and nor a 2-person scum team remaining)

P-edit: We are nopt talking about ONE team with 2 kills (that's absurd). We are talking about TWO TEAMS with a kill each,

So you want to risk throwing away town's chances at winning because you are hoping scum target each other, and you are okay with relegating a final surviving townie to being Kingmaker in 1v1v1 where voting for either faction means town loses? This literally only benefits a BP SK. Worst case scenario for them is they shoot town and mafia shoots them. 2v1v1 being worst case for town is exactly what they want. We're never voting not to eliminate today.

Pretty sure the play is to eliminate A50 today. If he flips SK, we extend the off-wagon EoD analysis to mean that Fwog was the scum off-wagon and eliminate JV. If he flips mafia then we have to sort between JV and Norwegian.

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1707 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:34 pm

In post 1647, Almost50 wrote:And if he does then I can't be chain executing, because saying "we should lynch Y provided X flips red" in never chaining. Chaining is stating that one of the two is scum, so if we execute X and they flip TOWN then we lynch Y. THAT is chain execution.

Would I have been scummy to you if I said you were trying to chain execute? Do I look townier for not having said that?

In post 1645, Almost50 wrote:I was expecting him to fall into the trap most noobs fall in, claiming I was "chain
lynching
executing", but he didn't.

Also, I'm not sure why you went ahead and explained a trap that I still could have fell for. Why couldn't I argue today that you were trying to chain-execute?

Almost50 · Post Post #1708 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:59 pm

In post 1706, LuckyLuciano wrote:2v1v1 being worst case for town is exactly what they want.

Who says 2-1-1 is bad for town? We No Eliminate AGAIN and they're FORCED to shoot each other. Whoever doesn't loses.

As for Town making the call today, that is exactly the same thing if we Mis-Eliminate, and from the looks of it we will. And I'll go even one step further an tell you why: One of you.. AT MOST.. is A STUPID TOWNIE. It could be the case that you're both scum and Nor is the Townie you know, but let's ASSUME Nor is Scum here. Who's the other? Me? I know I am not. So one of you is Scum and the other is a stupid townie who is following the same line of thought a SCUMSTER IS.

Almost50 · Post Post #1709 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:00 pm

For me, i KNOW at least one of you is scum, and the fact they want am Elimination today is making me more confident in going for the No Elimination. It's as simple as that.

Almost50 · Post Post #1710 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:02 pm

In post 1707, LuckyLuciano wrote:Would I have been scummy to you if I said you were trying to chain execute? Do I look townier for not having said that?

Not really. But you would have looked stupid none-the-less because of what I explained later

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1711 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:03 pm

Meant to say 2v1v1 is worst case scenario for SK. It's 4am here.

Pedit: If I wouldn't have been scummy for falling for the trap, why lay the trap?

Almost50 · Post Post #1712 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:05 pm

In post 1707, LuckyLuciano wrote:Also, I'm not sure why you went ahead and explained a trap that I still could have fell for. Why couldn't I argue today that you were trying to chain-execute?

Because it would have looked even more stupid than the pure source of stupidity itself, and I'm giving you more credit than that.

You see, it would have been stupid to miss the condition I made (if they flipped red) BEFORE they flipped, but it is extremely and utterly stupid to say that when we know the condition no longer can be true.

Almost50 · Post Post #1713 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:07 pm

In post 1711, LuckyLuciano wrote:Meant to say 2v1v1 is worst case scenario for SK. It's 4am here.

Pedit: If I wouldn't have been scummy for falling for the trap, why lay the trap?

1-a It ain't bad for the SK either. If we lynch MAFIA then SK wins.
1-b So you also thought of a double No Elimantion?? How bizzarre!

2- Because I don't know you and I needed to gauge your IQ, see how smart you really are

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1714 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:08 pm

Err, meant to say that I meant to say 2v1v1 being worst case scenario for SK is pretty ideal for SK. I'm going back to bed.

Pedit: Why are you so focused on the exact level of my stupidity? How is my intelligence AI?

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1715 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:10 pm

When did I ever imply I thought of a double no elimination? I'm pretty confident you are SK at this point and you've let the squirrel out of the bag that you are BP. I'm saying that the worst that could happen going into D5 if we no eliminate today is that mafia blows your BP and you hit town. If that's the worst possible scenario for SK, SK is happy with the array of possible scenarios.

Almost50 · Post Post #1716 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:13 pm

In post 1714, LuckyLuciano wrote:Err, meant to say that I meant to say 2v1v1 being worst case scenario for SK is pretty ideal for SK. I'm going back to bed.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Final answer? Would you like to call a friend??

In post 1714, LuckyLuciano wrote:Pedit: Why are you so focused on the exact level of my stupidity? How is my intelligence AI?

Because your IQ actually decides how you play the game. It determines what you can/can't do (and what you could/could not have done)

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #1717 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:51 pm

In post 1716, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1714, LuckyLuciano wrote:Err, meant to say that I meant to say 2v1v1 being worst case scenario for SK is pretty ideal for SK. I'm going back to bed.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Final answer? Would you like to call a friend??

In post 1714, LuckyLuciano wrote:Pedit: Why are you so focused on the exact level of my stupidity? How is my intelligence AI?
Because your IQ actually decides how you play the game. It determines what you can/can't do (and what you could/could not have done)

IQ does not define alignment like at all the fuck?

Almost50 · Post Post #1718 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:16 pm

In post 1717, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1716, Almost50 wrote:Because your IQ actually decides how you play the game. It determines what you can/can't do (and what you could/could not have done)
IQ does not define alignment like at all the fuck?

And here I was thinking ENGLISH was the official language in the Land Down Under

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #1719 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:24 pm

In post 1718, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1717, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1716, Almost50 wrote:Because your IQ actually decides how you play the game. It determines what you can/can't do (and what you could/could not have done)
IQ does not define alignment like at all the fuck?
And here I was thinking ENGLISH was the official language in the Land Down Under

First of all, what. Second of all, what

Almost50 · Post Post #1720 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:38 pm

Skip to the last "what" if you please, Thank you.

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #1721 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:45 pm

I'm so confused now lol, maybe I am the low IQ dude.

Anywho the recent happenings makes me think Lucky is probably more town than what I read in the first few pages. Though I will be super cautious about this so

Intent to vote Almost50

Almost50 · Post Post #1722 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:19 pm

Intent to vote?? As a wagon starter???

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #1723 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:20 pm

Yes, if it is a 3v2. If I vote and both scum are on they can just hammer.

Almost50 · Post Post #1724 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:24 pm

Actually, you know what? My lynch doesn't hurt the town that much. It just brings the 2-1-1 situation right now, and whichever of you doesn't kill the other loses. The only difference is you can both agree to share the win (which would be lame tbh).

So, let me help you there:

VOTE: A50