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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:22 am

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Things seem heated with all the name calling. You would think someone died.
Oh wait never mind.
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Oman 1 vote: (Armlx)
Mencellator 1 vote: (skitzer)
Crazy 3 votes: (OGML, Mencellator, iamausername)
iamausername 1 vote: (Goatrevolt)

Not voting

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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:15 pm

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Goat wins for explaining what I couldn't.
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:35 pm

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Goatrevolt wrote:I think Oman is correct regarding the circular argument bit, but I also think that this discussion is missing the point.

Oman, do you think that the first person to place a non-random vote is scummy if they provide reasoning for it, and not scummy if they don't provide reasoning? Isn't that almost contradictory, because if they don't provide reasoning, then how would we know it's a real vote and not just another random vote. Rage and Netran were both random voting additional players. If I voted armlx without reasoning, it would be assumed to be another random vote. If I vote armlx with reasoning, it becomes clear that it's a real vote.
Hmm interesting point.

I might have to conceed I was wrong there....
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:13 pm

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So apparently Armlx and Oman saw Goat's first vote differently, right? Then it doesn't really matter who was right. And this whole arguing over semantics is pointless.

On another point,
Vote OGML
. He seems to have approved of every wagon thus far.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:37 pm

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I really think rage and skitzer are scum. Maybe OGML, but I haven't seen enough there yet.
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:38 pm

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I really think rage and skitzer are scum. Maybe OGML, but I haven't seen enough there yet.
What have you seen from skitzer really?
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:49 pm

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armlx wrote:
I really think rage and skitzer are scum. Maybe OGML, but I haven't seen enough there yet.
What have you seen from skitzer really?
His posts speak of a lack of desire to provide concrete opinions. Also, meta arguments from Alvinz play a big role here, which he can't answer but I still find meaningful.

I also think Crazy is town, so I think the wagon on him is "an easy spot for scum to hide" if you ask me. Considering Rage/Skitzer are my top two, it doesn't surprise me they are hitching a ride on that Crazy Train.
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:48 am

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His posts speak of a lack of desire to provide concrete opinions. Also, meta arguments from Alvinz play a big role here, which he can't answer but I still find meaningful.
Can you explain this?

I also think Crazy is town, so I think the wagon on him is "an easy spot for scum to
hide" if you ask me. Considering Rage/Skitzer are my top two, it doesn't surprise me they are hitching a ride on that Crazy Train.
I can agree with this.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:35 am

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armlx wrote:
His posts speak of a lack of desire to provide concrete opinions. Also, meta arguments from Alvinz play a big role here, which he can't answer but I still find meaningful.
Can you explain this?
The first part is basically my read on the situation. When I asked him to provide analysis, he chose to pressure my motivations for that analysis rather than actually do it. The meta argument is basically based on Open 70 where alvinz as scum lurked all game and most of his posts were basically just him promising rereads, which was pretty much the entirety of his contribution to this game. Also, he avoided posting in this game a lot while posting semi-frequently in other games on this site.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:22 am

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Ok, I figured that was it, though I'm not sure there is enough to prove a conclusive meta-read.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:03 am

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Netran has asked to be replaced. I will go to the que's


Wow that was fast. Mencellator replaces Netran effective as of now.
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:18 pm

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@skitzah
Skitzer wrote:I find it weird how Goatrevolt wants an analysis when he knows he's likely to be the focus of it, based on the current pages.
How does this, in any way, make Goatrevolt look scummy. Wouldn't scum want the attention
off
themselves?
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:29 pm

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How does this, in any way, make Goatrevolt look scummy. Wouldn't scum want the attention off themselves?
I have comments on this once Skitzer posts.
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:18 pm

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Prodding iamausername.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:06 am

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Goatrevolt wrote:Also, you think Crazy/Oman are a scum team, however you think Crazy is scum partly because she is defending her scum buddy Oman. Doesn't it logically follow that you should then be voting for Oman, since that logic only holds up if Oman is actually scum?
No. I am suspicious of Crazy for reasons independant of his interactions with Oman. The opposite is not true. My logic for thinking Oman is scum only holds up if Crazy is actually scum, not the other way round.

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Unvote, Vote: OGML
. He started off by warning people against lurkerhunting, and has then proceeded to lurk his way through the rest of the game.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:12 am

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Mod, prod OGML please
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Done!
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:19 am

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Hello all,
From a brief skim through the thread, I am slightly suspicious of Crazy's actions during the Goat/Oman argument. I can also agree with Goat that iamausername/Skitzer are possible partners in crime.
However, I am going to
Unvote, Vote: OGML
for now because he is remaining quiet and occasionally speaks up to support any current wagon. He is perhaps hiding low and turning everyone against each other; SK?

Sorry, how do I write the Vote in bold?

I'm going to do it this once, but all you have to do is highlight the word you want to bold and press the B in the upper left hand corner. Preview will be your friend.
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:23 am

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I'm interested in OGML's responses. He is definitely someone I would consider voting for.
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:12 pm

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Prodding Oman last post 08/05.
Skitzer says he will be around tomorrow. If he doesnt' post by Monday the latest I will prod him.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:41 pm

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Ah I'm posting after the prod. Basically I haven't seen anything worth commenting on...except armlx is now anti-OGML, which kinda sucks.
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:12 pm

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Oman wrote:armlx is now anti-OGML, which kinda sucks.
Why does that suck?
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:02 pm

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Mencellator's speculation that OGML is the SK catches my eye. SK and mafia don't have drastically different playstyles; the only difference is that the SK lacks any associative tells.

As Mencellator says an SK would want to turn everyone against each other, so would scum. So saying that OGML could be the SK suggests that Mencellator knows something...
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:09 pm

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iamausername wrote:
Oman wrote:armlx is now anti-OGML, which kinda sucks.
Why does that suck?
Cause it means that a bandwagon forms, which means I need to form an opinion on it.
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:45 pm

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I agree with Crazy.
Cause it means that a bandwagon forms, which means I need to form an opinion on it.
Things like this make me want no never take my vote off Oman.
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:10 pm

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Hmm, just noticed this, mod, who wins if there is 1 mafia and 1 SK alive? The mafia PM says they win if they are half the population, but at that point the SK's "being the last alive is inevitable" would also apply. I'm assuming SK, but just wondering.

According to Thesp the SK wins if that happens
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