SSW III: Game over

[Septia]

You guys want an opinion? I think Coheed is full of shit. My vote stays.

Vote count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch before deadline)
(4) CoheedCambria09 – Grimmy, Septia, cerebus3, Cass
(4) Porkens – Lord Gurgi, raider8169, donkeyz12212, CoheedCambria09
(2) raider8169 – Porkens, SpyreX
(1) Lord Gurgi – Jebus

Not voting:

farside22

Deadline:

Tuesday 5 August 2:00 PM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[SpyreX]

Wow, things happened.

@Coheed, why Porkens?

Why is it that it took you to be less than a day from lynch before you really said anything about, well, anything?

[Cass]

Yes, that wasn't a terribly impressive claim. I think the votecount is now Coheed 4, Porkie 4.

That means a random one of them gets lynched.

So everyone, be sure of your vote, deadline is in half an hour... I think. (Timezones confuse me.)

[CoheedCambria09]

I think porkins is scum because. He was consistent with voting him all day long (except for the mayheam wagon) even after the claim. After Wall-E claimed we all kinda backed off until he started making those scummy moves again but Porky stayed on him. I think this is because he knew that Wally was town and probly the claimed role.

thats just quick to get it in before mod comes. More later if i survive

[farside22]

Yes, that wasn't a terribly impressive claim. I think the votecount is now Coheed 4, Porkie 4.

That means a random one of them gets lynched.

So everyone, be sure of your vote, deadline is in half an hour... I think. (Timezones confuse me.)

There isn't really a good claim to make unless he is a PR. Which isn't the case. I think some of my suspicious on CC come from the Wall-E case where he thought Wall was telling the truth then changed his mind. I understand that Walls claimed caused confusion, but was it enough reason to vote off a claimed PR. That is my issue with some people. Porks is one of them and Cass I understand your point, but you are another. Is anyone's claim going to not look scummy to you?
I dont want to not see a lynch and I'm not sure what will happen in this case. I think CoheedCambria09 back and forth on Wall-E was enough for me to go back to voting him.

vote: CoheedCambria09

[Cass]

Unconvincing. I reread Porkens and I don't see the scumminess. I definitely do not want to lynch him over Coheed. Keeping his vote on Wall-E is a very weak scumtell at best. For one, I doubted the claim itself from the beginning, with the vague way he explained it. I don't think I took my vote off him either - I certainly never dropped my suspicion.

So why not vote me? Do you think I'm town? Or is it that Pork conventiently had three votes on him already, and you hope nobody else will come in before deadline?

[SpyreX]

Thats a weak case but I sure do like the fact you put it on to tie the votes up.

Wait, no I dont.

Unvote, Vote Coheed

[SpyreX]

For the record, this is exactly the situation I didn't want to see happen. We need to be more active before deadline. Coheed was not my first case but he sure as hell is scummier than Porkens has been.

The being unhelpful until up for lynch is highly suspect and building a weak case on the one person that COULD be lynchable is also, of course, suspect.

[Cass]

Farside, I haven't called any claim outright scummy. Wall-E made no sense with his "I don't know what my role does, lol, I can see whot people talk to, i think I'm a seer, no wait I'm a tracker, I see what people do and I think it's useless". That I could excuse as confused newbie. But then he insisted on calling out his targets during the day, making him absolutely useless as a tracker. And he refused to listened to all the explanantion of why that was such a horrid idea. On top of that, he indeed tracked BM, confirming nothing and nobody and acted like a lunatic all day. There is a limit to what can be forgiven as clumsiness...
Note in all that, I never called the claim itself scummy.

As for Coheed, his claim isn't very scummy, but it doesn't save him either. If he made a convincing case on someone, maybe. But as I said, the claim isn't impressive.

[Cass]

ebwop: ack, apologies for all the typos in that post.

[farside22]

Unconvincing. I reread Porkens and I don't see the scumminess. I definitely do not want to lynch him over Coheed. Keeping his vote on Wall-E is a very weak scumtell at best. For one, I doubted the claim itself from the beginning, with the vague way he explained it. I don't think I took my vote off him either - I certainly never dropped my suspicion.

So why not vote me? Do you think I'm town? Or is it that Pork conventiently had three votes on him already, and you hope nobody else will come in before deadline?

More curious about you then scummy vibe honestly. I think you are actively scum hunting but you haven't been satisfied with anyones claim so I just wondered what it would be for you to believe a person was being truthful or if a claim means anything to you.

[raider8169]

I am not a fan of the change vote which did tie it up as we are close to the deadline. Seemed that was the only reason for it [unvote, vote Coheed].

[raider8169]

I am not a fan of the change vote which did tie it up as we are close to the deadline. Seemed that was the only reason for it [unvote, vote Coheed].

haha I suck

Unvote, vote Coheed

Preview is your friend...

[Johoohno]

Final vote count day 3

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch before deadline)

(7) CoheedCambria09 – Grimmy, Septia, cerebus3, Cass, farside22, SpyreX, raider8169

(4) Porkens – Lord Gurgi, donkeyz12212, CoheedCambria09
(1) raider8169 – Porkens
(1) Lord Gurgi – Jebus

Not voting:

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Deadline:

Tuesday 5 August 2:00 PM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

CoheedCambria09 snapped to life just before the sun was about to set. The pack was not amused. Or convinced of his innocence and they brought him to the gallows. “Yay” or rather “arf, arf, howl” they all exclaimed when upon death his pelt slipped off to reveal … yet another pelt, but this one raven black, like the sin itself.

CoheedCambria09

(

Werewolf of the black back clan

a.k.a. mafia)

Lynched D3

Carousing and celebrating their accurate lynch wildly the pack finally went up their respective howl hill. All too happy they came town to the village square, only to find Grimmy missing. He was later found dead.

Grimmy

(

Werewolf cub

a.k.a. mason)

Nightkilled N3

Let the discussion and deciding/voting continue.

Deadline: Saturday 9 August 2:00 PM

Approximately

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10 players alive = 6 votes to lynch before deadline

(when the one with the most votes, no matter how few, is lynched)

Those with

night choices: remember to send them in time

(see rule #008).

[farside22]

Well the votes for this day tell me something. I don't know if CC was trying to deflect from his buddy, but some of the people did disappear and where not part of the vote. Next on my list is donkeyz12212

vote: donkeyz12212

[SpyreX]

I think we've got a good chance to win this.

Well, with the way that played out:

Firmly Convinced Town:

Farside
Porkens

I'm also going to do something a little different today. I'm claiming off the bat!

I'm a she-wolf. Somewhere in the pack I had a cub. If I was killed, the cub would die, but if the cub died, I would be fine. It appears that my cub is now dead (I have NO idea why he was a mason - we couldn't communicate outside the thread).

I even was clever and breadcrumbed this. My first three posts:

See, what we have here is a lack of scumhunting. We need to be looking for humans already.

You see, also, besides, also also also.

Be one with the raccoon. Look into his eyes and despair.

See, You, Be phonentically is - CUB!

So, I've mentally narrowed it down to 7.

Still Ma Major Suspects:

donkeyz12212
raider8169

Still Suspect:

cerebus3
Jebus

Leanin Town:

Lord Gurgi
Cass
Septia

Now, raider dropping the hammer gets me, but I still think it would make sense as scum or town (no way the movement was shifting from coheed).

So, for now.

Vote donkeyz12212

[Cass]

Farside, claims mean lots to me. We just haven't had any convincing ones this game. A black wolf? That could throw a new light on the village/wolf pack debate. Don't think so, to be honest, but I thought i should mention it. Also, this means either the enemy isn't humans, or there's more than one enemy. Troubling.

My main suspects now are Farside and Lord Gurgi. I think Farside was bussing last day. While also throwing dirt on me and Porkens (I'm convinced Pork isn't Coheed's buddy after that display). Yet she votes Donkey now.

Vote: Farside

[farside22]

I have my list too:

Town:
cerebus 3
Lord Gurgi
SpreX
Cass

unsure:
Septia
Porkens

leaning scum:
Donkeys
raider
Jebus

[Cass]

@Spyrex: that's a weird claim. Is there any way that could be helpful to town?

[SpyreX]

Its a weird claim, but it is a weird role. 1-way lover isn't something I've seen before (of course I'm still new)

I figured that, with my cub dead, it made sense to claim right away because, well, if I was up for lynch it'd be much harder to stomach.

Also, with hitting one scum last night, anything to narrow targets is helpful. Like I said, I think we've got a good shot at this with the way that whole thing played out.

[farside22]

Farside, claims mean lots to me. We just haven't had any convincing ones this game. A black wolf? That could throw a new light on the village/wolf pack debate. Don't think so, to be honest, but I thought i should mention it. Also, this means either the enemy isn't humans, or there's more than one enemy. Troubling.

My main suspects now are Farside and Lord Gurgi. I think Farside was bussing last day. While also throwing dirt on me and Porkens (I'm convinced Pork isn't Coheed's buddy after that display). Yet she votes Donkey now.

Vote: Farside

So you are saying I've been bussing since day 2 since that is when I started looking at CC in the first place?

[SpyreX]

@Cass -

I think the village / wolf pack debate is going to be a red herring. I dont think Coheed ever said his, and we've had enough on both sides now that there'd be a whole mess of scum if that was the case.

I'm not, for the rest of the game, mentioning win conditions. I caused enough ruckus with it.

[SpyreX]

Ok, I'm stumblin through something, so follow me and let me see.

This plan requires, really, 3 initial premises:

1.) Coheed, before death, pushed on a townie (Porkens)
2.) Farside wasn't trying to bus a partner for two days.
3.) I'm telling the truth about my role.

Now, needless to say, I believe all three of the above.

With that as a starting point, we have 3/10 confirmed.

We had 16 to start, so we're probably looking at 4 total mafia (3 remaining) or, if we're lucky 3 total with 2 left. I'm going to assume worst case.

So, of 7, we have 3 maifa and 4 townies.

We've had 1 actual power role go down, so I would assume we have at least one or two left.

This leaves us with a few options:

1.) Massclaim today and use that to look for mistakes and/or abnormal overlap. Also, it would give us guidance for lynch.
2.) Kill an unconfirmed (I'd prefer, duh, donkey or raider).

I think, if my above assumations are correct, we have it. Especially if we have any power roles left. We hang an unconfirmed and the mafia either has to shoot in the dark at power roles or go after a confirmed. Either way, the town reduces the unconfirmed pool and we keep the lead on it.

The only huge problem would be if 2 of the 3 of above postulations were incorrect. If there are 2 scum above, it falls apart. Otherwise, we should be clear.

Thoughts? (P.S until we decide don't claim or anything silly)

[Jebus]

@ 1) It's a common scheme to go after fellow mafia-mates to destroy visable connection.

And though this may be somewhat hypocritical, I'd be willing to go with a conditional; donkeyz is mafia if Porky is town.

I'm also leaning towards Cass, some things about him/her don't make much sense to me :/

[farside22]

Just expanding off of Spryx thoughts here.
We have 10 people left in the game:

SpyreX
Septia
Jebus (Empking)
farside22
Porkens
donkeyz12212
Cass
raider8169 (ace1217)
cerebus3
Lord Gurgi

There should be at least 2 scums left in the game. Claim now and possible lossing PR at night increases, but I remember the whole circle talks going on that didn't happen because the scum interfered so lets not talk about circle checks for sure. If we claim everyone should put a list of who they want to see claim. Out of 10 people is this a good time for claims?
I'm hoping that like last game there is another watcher which if there is I think claiming would be good. Of course the whole mason thing makes me question if we have a second tracker.
Also as was stated the fact that CC wasn't human I wonder if he was the only one like that?
I think at this point claims might help. I will even claim first, but I want peoples thoughts on who should claim and the claim order if we do claim.
So first say vote:
Yes claim
No claim.

I vote: yes claim