Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just had some banana bread. It's damn good.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Manatees are endangered, do you really want to kill another one?

[Dr Easy Bake]

@DEB, have you caught up yet?

I'm here now, shouldn't that be more important?

If I could meet you face-to-face I'd probably be kissing you on one cheek for your modding and slap you on the other for your playing.

Sign me up, I'm a switch.

[SirCakez]

Manatees are endangered, do you really want to kill another one?

They're gonna go extinct eventually might as well speed it along

[Dr Easy Bake]

Not if I have anything to say about it.

[Almost50]

Not if I have anything to say about it.

Hopefully you don't. Look into my eyes.. you're a sheep! You are MY sheep. You do as I say and you vote where I tell you to.

Spoiler:

[Dr Easy Bake]

[Dr Easy Bake]

Oops, forgot to spoiler that.

Spoiler:

[gobbledygook]

VC 3.3

NorwegianboyEE
ManateeDude (3) - Titus, Almost50, NorwegianBoyEE ( -2)
Almost50
fwogcarf
Titus
LuckyLuciano
SirCakez
Dr Easy Bake

Not Voting

(5) ManateeDude, fwogcarf, LuckyLuciano, SirCakez, Dr Easy Bake

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to remove from the town.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-07-07 10:00:00)[/color]

[LuckyLuciano]

My keyboard short circuited, so I'll be stuck on my phone while a new one comes in from Amazon. Might be relatively inactive for ~2 days bc I have posting from my phone.

[LuckyLuciano]

Hate*

[Almost50]

23 hours after my last post and only 2 players posted twice each. On a Wednesday (i.e. not even a weekend).

[Titus]

A50, that's the problem here. Scum have just been shooting the active townies. No one has counterwagon all game so my VCA is useless.

[Almost50]

Oh, well. I don't even know what to do next then. All I have right now is a tinfoil theory that we are wagoning the 2nd scum indeed (the one they tried and managed to save on D1), and it made the third one replace out untimely (he did say he was quitting Mafia AFTER this game not during it)

[Titus]

It's as good a theory as any. I would try to take charge but my mental health prohibits me from doing that. I play for fun but I am afraid world crushing Titus is gone.

[Almost50]

The mighty Titus will be back sometime soon, I am sure. She's just taking a rest from all the madness that surrounds us. I have faith in you to be back on your feet though, and even stronger than you were.

[LuckyLuciano]

Lynch the lone scummer (whether that is a SK or a 2nd team Mafia is irrelevant) >> 5-2 going into the night >> 4-2 tomorrow guaranteed

5-2-1 >> Lynch 1 of the main team >> 5-1-1 going into the night >> 3-1-1 tomorrow with a possibility of 4-1 or even 5-0-0 (Game over).

This seems to imply that A50 is entertaining the possibility of 2 2-person mafias.

Oh, well. I don't even know what to do next then.

All I have right now is a tinfoil theory that we are wagoning the 2nd scum indeed (the one they tried and managed to save on D1), and it made the third one replace out untimely

(he did say he was quitting Mafia AFTER this game not during it)

This seems to imply that A50 is not actually entertaining the possibility of 2 2-person mafias. Why the disconnect? My theory is that he let the belief persist within the discourse despite not believing it to be true, which is always scum motivated. If he's town I expect that he would have denied the belief immediately, or denied it publicly when he came to the realization that it is unlikely to be true. Both possibilities better help organize the town.

VOTE: A50

P.S. Getting a cheap keyboard in the morning while waiting on amazon.

P.P.S. Let's not talk about why players replace out.

[Almost50]

Well, despite the fact that 3 Mafia + 1 SK is always more likely, and despite the fact that what lead me to type the bolded in the first post was reading someone proposing it was 2 teams of 2 (I don't remember who), I will ignore both these points and go straight to the 3rd: You seem to have missed the phrase "tinfoil

theory

". You're quoting it, but it's not registering in your mind. By definition; a theory is

an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action

, and -in this case- it explains the untimely replace out.

[Almost50]

@LL: 1588 was talking about why fwogcart would replace out at this time. I get that you would consider it NAI and it could very well have been due to RL, but

assuming it's not

(first thing about a theory is it's based on and assumption leading to a supposition that explains something), so assuming it's not RL I proposed the theory aforementioned. Given the assumption he could not have been SK (nothing changed for them), could not have been unhappy someone from

the other team

was wagoned (why would he care, and how would he even know for sure?). He could not even been unhappy about his own teammate (of 2) being wagoned (that happened on D1 and he didn't leave). The ONLY proposition left to make (ASSUMING HE REPLACED OUT FOR IN-GAME REASONS) is that he is a member of a 3-players team, who had lost 1 already, but was hoping his living buddy could carry him still, but then that second buddy also looks like being in the chop (or maybe he was angry Manatee flaked on him??), so he decided to quit.

Nice observation though.

[LuckyLuciano]

Except Fwog was investigated by Ranger N1, so he's not mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Except Fwog was investigated by Ranger N1, so he's not mafia.

What? When?

[LuckyLuciano]

I mentioned it earlier. There is no way to explain Ranger tunneling Fwog D1 then suddenly town reading him D2 and never mentioning him again unless he investigated Fwog N1.

[LuckyLuciano]

So Role cop was the SK-cop and Gunsmith was the mafia-cop. Pretty sure Ranger investigated Fwog N1, so Fwog would be not-mafia. I could buy him as SK.

@Titus, if Ranger checked Umlaut N1, how do you explain him going from hard tunneling Fwog D1 to promptly townreading him D2 and never talking about him again?

Looking back to try and see what you see on Ranger investigating Umlaut N1, I still don't buy it. 909 came in D2, after the N1 check. If he thinks Umlaut is scum at that point,

and

he investigated Umlaut, then he'd have to think that Umlaut is SK. Why didn't he jump onto my Umlaut SK read? His posts 1258 and 1259 in particular indicate that he thought Umlaut was mafia, not SK. Within the former post he criticized Cakez for naked voting Fwog, despite having himself hard pushed Fwog in D1.

[Almost50]

I mentioned it earlier. There is no way to explain Ranger tunneling Fwog D1 then suddenly town reading him D2 and never mentioning him again unless he investigated Fwog N1.

This is a quote from the wiki:

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors),

So a Gunsmith clear is a soft clear at best. I won't throw away my own reads based on some speculation of who the dead GD incestigated and what their result was, and

especially so

when I had checked and found no trace of a "tunnel". In fact; Ranger voted fwogcart for a whole 2 posts (48 hours apart, but that was because he didn't post at all between them. He voted fwogcart in 184

and gave no particular reason

for it. His next post was 293 and he voted fen in 294. I thus would very much appreciate if you quoted some of Black Ranger's "tunneling" on fwogcart to begin with, and THEN we can talk.

-fixed post tags

[Almost50]

Fuck! I messed up the brackets and coped them too!!!

@Mod: Would you be kind enough to correct my brackets so as they actually link to the mentioned posts? I put ] instead of [ 3 times.