New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[Radical Rat]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

No, lynching does not specifically reference witch trials, and is frequently used to describe racially motivated mob murders, both historical and current.

[Psyche]

Let's be real here.
If we actually cared about this, people would have persued asking site administration to make this change a long time ago.
In fact, Lycan did that and I just remembered that that thread even existed.

If people cared, they would have said something.

people change!

god why am i posting here this is an internal squabble

[TemporalLich]

you can think of removing the word "lynch" as getting rid of the politics from mafia

Good point, more reason to eliminate "lynch" from this site so politics don't bleed into games.

[Alisae]

Great! So then you'll agree we should remove a term that is incredibly politicized by society, especially right now, to prevent that politicization from leaking into your mafia.

Its not politicized within the context of mafia.
Its politicized by people bringing saying "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"
or perhaps its politicized by a thread being globalized, reminding people that "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"

my personal opinion is that it doesn't affect me. As a player, my thoughts aren't being policed and this is good.
As a mod, I can make the edits needed.

I'm a Bernie Supporter. I live with a Bernie Supporter. She likes to listen to a lot of political postcasts w/o headphones.
I have also been annoyed in the past by feminists who preached misandry and justified it as promoting women.
I'm just saying, when I log onto this website, or actually for that matter, use the internet, am not very interested in politics.

Ok, but you recognize that just because you aren't interested in politics doesn't mean that politics ceases to exist or ceases to have an impact on people. Whether you like it or not, the term lynch is political. Nothing we do on this site will change that. We can either accept it or try to ignore it, but it still will be political.

You don't get it and I'ma just leave it at that.

[chamber]

Let's be real here.
If we actually cared about this, people would have persued asking site administration to make this change a long time ago.
In fact, Lycan did that and I just remembered that that thread even existed.

If people cared, they would have said something.

Something being wrong and not being opposed previously is a really bad reason not to change it now.
You are right that it's a fair condemnation of a large part of the site that it took a larger zeitgeist to get us to change it, that also doesn't mean it's wrong to change it now.

[AniX]

Great! So then you'll agree we should remove a term that is incredibly politicized by society, especially right now, to prevent that politicization from leaking into your mafia.

Its not politicized within the context of mafia.
Its politicized by people bringing saying "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"
or perhaps its politicized by a thread being globalized, reminding people that "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"

my personal opinion is that it doesn't affect me. As a player, my thoughts aren't being policed and this is good.
As a mod, I can make the edits needed.

I'm a Bernie Supporter. I live with a Bernie Supporter. She likes to listen to a lot of political postcasts w/o headphones.
I have also been annoyed in the past by feminists who preached misandry and justified it as promoting women.
I'm just saying, when I log onto this website, or actually for that matter, use the internet, am not very interested in politics.

Ok, but you recognize that just because you aren't interested in politics doesn't mean that politics ceases to exist or ceases to have an impact on people. Whether you like it or not, the term lynch is political. Nothing we do on this site will change that. We can either accept it or try to ignore it, but it still will be political.

You don't get it and I'ma just leave it at that.

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I don't get it.

[Alisae]

Let's be real here.
If we actually cared about this, people would have persued asking site administration to make this change a long time ago.
In fact, Lycan did that and I just remembered that that thread even existed.

If people cared, they would have said something.

people change!

god why am i posting here this is an internal squabble

They change once they have a new concept/idea being introduced to them. Wow, thats that user totally wants to be the change they want to be for echoing "yeah go site adminstration woot!"

jesus fuck what am i even complaining about anymore, even i don't even know tbh

[Radical Rat]

If people actually cared about playing Mafia they should have made a site for it way before 2002. So I guess we should just never play it, too late now.

[Alisae]

Great! So then you'll agree we should remove a term that is incredibly politicized by society, especially right now, to prevent that politicization from leaking into your mafia.

Its not politicized within the context of mafia.
Its politicized by people bringing saying "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"
or perhaps its politicized by a thread being globalized, reminding people that "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"

my personal opinion is that it doesn't affect me. As a player, my thoughts aren't being policed and this is good.
As a mod, I can make the edits needed.

I'm a Bernie Supporter. I live with a Bernie Supporter. She likes to listen to a lot of political postcasts w/o headphones.
I have also been annoyed in the past by feminists who preached misandry and justified it as promoting women.
I'm just saying, when I log onto this website, or actually for that matter, use the internet, am not very interested in politics.

Ok, but you recognize that just because you aren't interested in politics doesn't mean that politics ceases to exist or ceases to have an impact on people. Whether you like it or not, the term lynch is political. Nothing we do on this site will change that. We can either accept it or try to ignore it, but it still will be political.

You don't get it and I'ma just leave it at that.

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I don't get it.

ya i probably coulda just said I disagree and leave it at that as well.

this whole thread is insignificant in the grand scheme of things
ig it really doesn't matter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ythan]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

I missed this post what the fuck for real.

[Alisae]

If people actually cared about playing Mafia they should have made a site for it way before 2002. So I guess we should just never play it, too late now.

did those words just come out of my mouth oh my god what am i posting in this thread

[Alisae]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

I missed this post what the fuck for real.

he's a town of salem player.

[Aristophanes]

Legit though

I might actually not play mafia on the site anymore for no other reason than I don't think there's another word that can be substituted for it that flows as well as lynch does. I also always associated the word more with the Salem witch trials since that is the type of dynamic that most closely fits with how the game itself works.

I mean I also think this type of change is likely going to end up meaningless in the long run too (and unpopular opinion, ingame stuff that clearly doesn't have that intent being considered racist is very ??? to me in general) but I don't really want to get into a long diatribe about this either so I'll just take whatever criticism I get for this and leave it

This is an extremely bad take and you should reconsider your stance on the matter.

"I might quit mafia because they took away my word" is an extremely privileged, possibly racist stance. It doesn't matter if the word is used here with racist intentions, it carries a very charged meaning and therefore has racial undertones. We are limiting these and distancing ourselves from them as they are not something this site wants to associate with.

Like, I'm not calling you a racist here. Don't get me wrong. But I think anyone fighting against this change, including threatening to quit mafia over it, really needs to take a step back. And if they come back after some thought and consideration and still think they deserve to have the use of this word for whatever reason, then they can kindly fuck off. I don't want to play games with people who would threaten to quit over this.

Like I'd bet you were on team "Leave Aunt Jemima Alone! I need my slavery syrup!" weren't you.

The world is progressing positively away from vestigial archetypes which may inadvertently or purposely promote racism. Get on board or get out.

[Ythan]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

I missed this post what the fuck for real.

he's a town of salem player.

And to think we complained about EM.

[Lycanfire]

I didn't realize that we were playing mafia in the rule change thread. Exiles for everyone, bitches.

[Aristophanes]

I'll read this whole thread eventually, that post just stood out to me.

But for real, this is a good change. If you don't think so, I implore you to educate yourself.

[AniX]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

I missed this post what the fuck for real.

he's a town of salem player.

Ok, but we are all mafia players but even the people objecting to this didn't go "It is a reference to organized crime being killed"

[Radical Rat]

If people actually cared about playing Mafia they should have made a site for it way before 2002. So I guess we should just never play it, too late now.

did those words just come out of my mouth oh my god what am i posting in this thread

They did not, I'm just being a little bit of an ass with reductio ad absurdum.

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

I missed this post what the fuck for real.

he's a town of salem player.

Town of Salem was my first Mafia, and I can attest that while it is terrible, it is not responsible for takes THAT bad

[Alisae]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

I missed this post what the fuck for real.

he's a town of salem player.

And to think we complained about EM.

i think the difference is he just doesn't know any better and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
Educate > flame is better here.

[Ythan]

Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.

I missed this post what the fuck for real.

he's a town of salem player.

And to think we complained about EM.

i think the difference is he just doesn't know any better and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
Educate > flame is better here.

Horribly good post, will relent.

[Alisae]

Maybe we shouldn't have made a public thread and globalized it
maybe I'm assuming there is a problem when there isn't
maybe i am just stupid (actually its not a maybe, i am just stupid)

[Alisae]

Huh no wonder Lycan, the guy who’s so obsessed about a fucking word that BTW, no one seems to have a problem with, is ignoring me. He thinks I’m trolling lmao.

Has someone really came to this site and said “THE USAGE OF THE WORD LYNCH OFFENDS ME”
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

Could it change?
Sure.
But does it have to change because the system is broken?
No.

huh this was my stance on it 2 years ago.
huh, weird.

[Lycanfire]

You were just pissed off because you rolled scum at the same time as that thread and thought I as ignoring you there because you're fucking needy

[TemporalLich]

I really only used the word "lynch" because it was standard and Normal in Mafia games, so the change doesn't affect me too much.

[Lycanfire]

I really only used the word "lynch" because it was standard and Normal in Mafia games, so the change doesn't affect me too much.

Controversial stance