New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:57 pm

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In post 548, Alisae wrote:
In post 544, Ythan wrote:
In post 543, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:You're right ythan

I'm not very interested in politics and therefore I shouldn't express my opinion

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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:57 pm

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pro tip: not being racist or making people more comfortable by not using potentially problematic words isn't political! if you think it is, you're wrong!
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:58 pm

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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:58 pm

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In post 531, Alisae wrote:okay hear me out
what if
I want to play a game of mafia
and not have to have politics shoved down my throat
because when I want to play mafia
I want to escape from the real world political drama
Great! So then you'll agree we should remove a term that is incredibly politicized by society to prevent that politicization from leaking into your mafia.
In post 546, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.
Never is a pretty big statement. Are you sure you don't want to rethink that statement that lynch is NEVER racist?
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:59 pm

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In post 546, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Lynch is never racist. LMAO.
It is reference to the “witch trails”
Where people lynched and killed others who were said to be a witch.
In post 547, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:There’s a big difference between “Racism” and “Witches”.
You're a town of salem player. You learned the game from Town of Salem. Fun fact, did you know that Mafia has been around longer then Town of Salem has?
Did you know that, that maybe, how Town of Salem adopted Mafia and spreaded it is completely different from the Mafia that was played on this site for 18 years?
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:00 pm

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Legit though

I might actually not play mafia on the site anymore for no other reason than I don't think there's another word that can be substituted for it that flows as well as lynch does. I also always associated the word more with the Salem witch trials since that is the type of dynamic that most closely fits with how the game itself works.

I mean I also think this type of change is likely going to end up meaningless in the long run too (and unpopular opinion, ingame stuff that clearly doesn't have that intent being considered racist is very ??? to me in general) but I don't really want to get into a long diatribe about this either so I'll just take whatever criticism I get for this and leave it
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:01 pm

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I like "exile".
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:01 pm

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In post 556, Lycanfire wrote:I like "exile".
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:01 pm

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In post 553, AniX wrote:Great! So then you'll agree we should remove a term that is incredibly politicized by society, especially right now, to prevent that politicization from leaking into your mafia.
Its not politicized within the context of mafia.
Its politicized by people bringing saying "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"
or perhaps its politicized by a thread being globalized, reminding people that "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"

my personal opinion is that it doesn't affect me. As a player, my thoughts aren't being policed and this is good.
As a mod, I can make the edits needed.

I'm a Bernie Supporter. I live with a Bernie Supporter. She likes to listen to a lot of political postcasts w/o headphones.
I have also been annoyed in the past by feminists who preached misandry and justified it as promoting women.
I'm just saying, when I log onto this website, or actually for that matter, use the internet, I am not very interested in politics.
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:02 pm

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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:03 pm

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It's just not fun anymore if we can't say lynch.
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:03 pm

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cancel mafia if we can't LYNCH PEOPLE with our NOOSES
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:03 pm

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I don't go to this site for politics, but I am fine with phasing out the word that must not be named.

Player comfort is important, and if that means using "eliminate" then so be it.
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:04 pm

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you can think of removing the word "lynch" as getting rid of the politics from mafia
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:05 pm

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I think the change might have gone a bit smoother if the administration team followed my original suggestion and stepped it up by contacting "power mods" and get them on board first.

This is definitely political but I don't see a good argument against it. The only drawback to the change is the resistance to it, which seems small and contained to this thread.
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:06 pm

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Let's be real here.
If we actually cared about this, people would have persued asking site administration to make this change a long time ago.
In fact, Lycan did that and I just remembered that that thread even existed.

If people cared, they would have said something.
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:06 pm

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It looks like I'm late yo the party, but this is a great move on the part of our moderation staff and I support it wholeheartedly!

I'm sure the occasional slip will happen, but this is a move in the right direction for all involved.
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:07 pm

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They are saying something now
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:07 pm

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I originally wanted people to promote it on their own but administration could have pushed harder to get it going without a rule change.
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:07 pm

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In post 558, Alisae wrote:
In post 553, AniX wrote:Great! So then you'll agree we should remove a term that is incredibly politicized by society, especially right now, to prevent that politicization from leaking into your mafia.
Its not politicized within the context of mafia.
Its politicized by people bringing saying "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"
or perhaps its politicized by a thread being globalized, reminding people that "did you know that this term has a lot of racist background to it?"

my personal opinion is that it doesn't affect me. As a player, my thoughts aren't being policed and this is good.
As a mod, I can make the edits needed.

I'm a Bernie Supporter. I live with a Bernie Supporter. She likes to listen to a lot of political postcasts w/o headphones.
I have also been annoyed in the past by feminists who preached misandry and justified it as promoting women.
I'm just saying, when I log onto this website, or actually for that matter, use the internet, am not very interested in politics.
Ok, but you recognize that just because you aren't interested in politics doesn't mean that politics ceases to exist or ceases to have an impact on people. Whether you like it or not, the term lynch is political. Nothing we do on this site will change that. We can either accept it or try to ignore it, but it still will be political.
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:08 pm

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In post 565, Alisae wrote:I don't personally care and am incapable of empathy.
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:08 pm

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It says a lot about our community that we didn't care but I didn't care about that thread after House made an alt just to argue with me in it.
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:08 pm

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In post 568, Lycanfire wrote:I originally wanted people to promote it on their own but administration could have pushed harder to get it going without a rule change.
Oh shit new avatar didn’t recogniZe you sup
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:09 pm

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In post 572, Porkens wrote:
In post 568, Lycanfire wrote:I originally wanted people to promote it on their own but administration could have pushed harder to get it going without a rule change.
Oh shit new avatar didn’t recogniZe you sup
ironically i retired because the mods suck and gave me an unofficial warning for triggering them with the word furry
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:09 pm

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I see it as similar to the whole racist statue stuff. It is ultimately not going to solve racism, it never should have happened in the first place, having happened it should have been removed years ago, having not been removed years ago it should be removed now. There is no better time to fix a mistake than today.
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