Mini 637: Xyl's Smalltown Plus - Game Over

[Xylthixlm]

Vote Count

ZombieSlayer54 -

3

(armlx, wolframnhart, pwnz)
wolframnhart -

2

(Empking, charter)
armlx -

2

(nhat, ZombieSlayer54)

Not voting: hasdgfas

With 8 alive, it will take 5 to lynch. The deadline for day 1 is Saturday, August 16 at 7:00 PM Pacific.

[wolframnhart]

However, wolf's vote was INCREDIBLY suspicious. He puts ZS at L-1 AFTER me and pwnz have sided against ZS. Basically, the whole town (minus the gimbo debacle) is not favoring ZS, and NOW once he's confirmed that, he votes ZS and even still seems very reserved about it. Plus his justification makes little sense and is very weak for a L-1 vote.

here's the thing, I had read through the ZS and armlx argument, and had even voiced my opinion on it a few times. I stated that I was taking armlx side of the argument before, and after really looking at ZS's comment of insurance vote I didn't like the sound of it. It had nothing to do with you or pwnz, I would have voted ZS even if neither of you had said anything against him. As it is, if ZS really is a cop, I feel like crap now for making him role claim. If he is cop, I hope that someone protects him tonight because I think he would be very valuable in the long run, even more so then my day vig ability.

You only voted after me and pwnz told you that we were on the same side of the argument. Now you're saying that you would have voted before? Why didn't you then?

Sorry just realized i never answered this. The reason I didn't vote then is i was still on the fence about ZS. In his earlier posts I took him as town, and when I started thinking about his posts and his defense I started to waver on my vote on pwnz. I voted after I thought it out and ZS posts just didnt seem right to me. But as I said, now i feel like crap because my vote made him claim cop.

[charter]

Yet you're still voting him???

[wolframnhart]

Only because has brought up a good point about the alignment, plus i am not totally sure ZS IS a cop. I don't want to unvote just because I have people questioning my motives atm. What I want to do is see what happens over the next couple posts, really think good on if I am totally wrong here, and then go from there.

[armlx]

I don't want to unvote just because I have people questioning my motives atm. What I want to do is see what happens over the next couple posts, really think good on if I am totally wrong here, and then go from there.

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[charter]

The way I see it is he's either scum, in which case you shouldn't care what he claims, or he is town, in which case you may legitimately feel like crap. You can't have both ways. I think you're digging yourself a deeper hole here... I'm liking my vote for you more and more.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Has, how does the answer make you want to lynch me MORE?

I think you were the only one who thought that "Mafia Goon" was a secret role, and because the mod basically confirmed that, I believe you only thought that because you had prior knowledge.

I do not see why nobody else thought that, since Crazy's secret role was revealed to be a mafia role...

Oh, and Wolf is looking more and more like scum, especially with his last post.

[Empking]

I do think that the Crazy argument is a good enough argument.

I've wrote why I think he's scum.

He never tried to look at scum.
He did actions to try and make himself look like town without actually helping town.
He tried to mislead the town.

[hasdgfas]

I do think that the Crazy argument is a good enough argument.

Except it's not, because Godfather gives extra abilities.

I've wrote why I think he's scum.

He never tried to look at scum.
He did actions to try and make himself look like town without actually helping town.
He tried to mislead the town.

Please show us where, like people have told you every single time you say this.

[ZombieSlayer54]

I do think that the Crazy argument is a good enough argument.

Except it's not, because Godfather gives extra abilities.

How does that, in any way, shape, or form, negate my argument?

ALL of our secret roles give extra abilities, unless you forgot.

[armlx]

ALL of our secret roles give extra abilities, unless you forgot.

But how would Mafia Goon give extra abilities?

[ZombieSlayer54]

ALL of our secret roles give extra abilities, unless you forgot.

But how would Mafia Goon give extra abilities?

Ok, so Mafia Goon is not exactly giving extra abilities, per se. But it is giving a secret role, correct? One you would rather not have other people know of, correct?

[charter]

But that's alignment, no an abillity.

[ZombieSlayer54]

But that's alignment, no an abillity.

But it is a SECRET role, correct?

Why is it so hard to think of "Mafia Goon" as a SECRET role?

[hasdgfas]

But that's alignment, no an abillity.

But it is a SECRET role, correct?

Why is it so hard to think of "Mafia Goon" as a SECRET role?

because the goon doesn't have special abilities, it has a different alignment.

[ZombieSlayer54]

But that's alignment, no an abillity.

But it is a SECRET role, correct?

Why is it so hard to think of "Mafia Goon" as a SECRET role?

because the goon doesn't have special abilities, it has a different alignment.

But who says a secret role has to have special abilities?

[charter]

That's what all of us are assuming, that a secret role entails some sort of abillity. That's why your assumption doesn't make sense.

[ZombieSlayer54]

That's what all of us are assuming, that a secret role entails some sort of abillity. That's why your assumption doesn't make sense.

Or it could just be... You know... A secret role...?

Why assume that, anyways?

I mean, the mod has already explained that there are two tiers to role selection: Public role and secret role. No tertiary "Alignment Role". Alignments, therefore, are probably assigned through the secret roles.

[hasdgfas]

That's what all of us are assuming, that a secret role entails some sort of abillity. That's why your assumption doesn't make sense.

Or it could just be... You know... A secret role...?

Why assume that, anyways?

I mean, the mod has already explained that there are two tiers to role selection: Public role and secret role. No tertiary "Alignment Role". Alignments, therefore, are probably assigned through the secret roles.

right, but that wasn't obvious from the very beginning.

[wolframnhart]

unvote ZS

Looks like I made a big mistake voting for ZS, especially if he is a cop. I am not getting the whole alignment issue so keeping my vote on him is ridiculous. ATM here is what I think:

Charter

Townie. Reason being he has really tried to scum hunt hard. He was the first person to unvote ZS. Charter had stated he normally would unvote without question, but still had his doubts about ZS, but it was due to my actions that he unvoted him.

Has

Second person to unvote ZS, but is still haggling him from the sidelines. Has did get the "use day powers" plan going, but the way he explained it after charter got on him for it, to me showed it wasn't "go kill crazy" it was a "lets try and use these powers reasonably and put them to vote use, not vigilante ill do what i want use" which made him town in my book. Plus i think he has had some insightful posts.

armlx

Another good poster. He did have a good point about ZS that even if he is a cop, he had the most powerful investigative role before, and none of us cared until now. Even though his vote is still on ZS i think he really thinks he has a scum in his sight, and that the cop claim is just a play to be saved for day 1.

ZS

Really thought this guy was pro-town in the begining. Was against the day vig plan, which to me seemed town because I would think most scum might be for this (i realize this makes no sense when i applaud HAS for his starting the plan, but its because HAS was trying to keep it contained and voted on that redeems him in my eyes) because if they can steer people to use their day vig powers on other townie (especially protective roles like what happend to Cerb when Crazy SB'd him) then they could get rid of their competition. Then his arguments against armlx seemed off to me and his "insurance policy" just was weird to me. Now with his cop claim i am not sure anymore. I don't want to take the cop claim at face value, but I guess we will hopefully see what happens after night 1.

Pwnz

has tried to contribute to the game, but I just don't see it really benifiting the town much imho. that doesn't mean he hasn't, just that I can't see it. Possible scum to me.

Nhat/styro (gimbo alt)

Was so anti use himself to save someone just because he wanted to be in the game was odd to me. Unfortunately his posts weren't much to go on, and with him gone it feels to me like someone might be getting by under our radar. This will seem silly probably but

FoS on who ever replaces him

at least until they can prove themselves townie.

Not going to post on Emp. Since he should die once this day ends (unless he has some secret anti-venom ability) anything I post would be moot.

[armlx]

Not going to post on Emp. Since he should die once this day ends (unless he has some secret anti-venom ability) anything I post would be moot.

His lack of help post "death" speaks more then any case before hand.

[ZombieSlayer54]

That's what all of us are assuming, that a secret role entails some sort of abillity. That's why your assumption doesn't make sense.

Or it could just be... You know... A secret role...?

Why assume that, anyways?

I mean, the mod has already explained that there are two tiers to role selection: Public role and secret role. No tertiary "Alignment Role". Alignments, therefore, are probably assigned through the secret roles.

right, but that wasn't obvious from the very beginning.

Well it was obvious to me...

[armlx]

Well it was obvious to me... Neutral

And it would only be obvious to a mafia goon, which is Has's point.

[Empking]

Not going to post on Emp. Since he should die once this day ends (unless he has some secret anti-venom ability) anything I post would be moot.

His lack of help post "death" speaks more then any case before hand.

Why are you killing me?

Does the town want me to continue posting. That way the town has been acting suggests no.

[armlx]

Why are you killing me?

Apparently, you missed the memo that wolf poisoned you like 7 pages ago.