New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 am

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In post 70, Blair wrote:Can we rebrand Cops to Social Workers, please?

The history of racism in law enforcement speaks for itself. The fact that we not only include this terminology in our game format (as one of the most prominent "power" roles, no less) is bad enough, but to add insult to injury, Cops are near-universally placed on the town (read: "Good") side? What kind of message does that send?
We will consider this. Thank you for the suggestion.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:34 am

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The origin of the word scum is racist against black people.

In 1586, the phrase “scum of Africa” showed up in the Christopher Marlowe play Tamburlaine, this marked the first known time scum was used as an insult, though that trend would be frequently repeated elsewhere after this: “These are the cruell pirates of Argeire, That damned traine, the scum of Affrica.”



Mafia invokes ethnic Italian criminals.

Why change one and not the others?
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:34 am

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In post 75, T-Bone wrote:
In post 70, Blair wrote:Can we rebrand Cops to Social Workers, please?

The history of racism in law enforcement speaks for itself. The fact that we not only include this terminology in our game format (as one of the most prominent "power" roles, no less) is bad enough, but to add insult to injury, Cops are near-universally placed on the town (read: "Good") side? What kind of message does that send?
We will consider this. Thank you for the suggestion.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:35 am

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In post 75, T-Bone wrote:
In post 70, Blair wrote:Can we rebrand Cops to Social Workers, please?

The history of racism in law enforcement speaks for itself. The fact that we not only include this terminology in our game format (as one of the most prominent "power" roles, no less) is bad enough, but to add insult to injury, Cops are near-universally placed on the town (read: "Good") side? What kind of message does that send?
We will consider this. Thank you for the suggestion.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:35 am

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In post 75, T-Bone wrote:
In post 70, Blair wrote:Can we rebrand Cops to Social Workers, please?

The history of racism in law enforcement speaks for itself. The fact that we not only include this terminology in our game format (as one of the most prominent "power" roles, no less) is bad enough, but to add insult to injury, Cops are near-universally placed on the town (read: "Good") side? What kind of message does that send?
We will consider this. Thank you for the suggestion.
I really hope this is sarcasm
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:35 am

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In post 75, T-Bone wrote:
In post 70, Blair wrote:Can we rebrand Cops to Social Workers, please?

The history of racism in law enforcement speaks for itself. The fact that we not only include this terminology in our game format (as one of the most prominent "power" roles, no less) is bad enough, but to add insult to injury, Cops are near-universally placed on the town (read: "Good") side? What kind of message does that send?
We will consider this. Thank you for the suggestion.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:35 am

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changing Cops to Detectives or Investigators would be more apt as they even make more sense as cops generally don't do anything useful like they do in the game of mafia :lol:
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:35 am

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In post 76, Albert B. Rampage wrote:has there been violence committed by hammers against minorities?
not sure but saying someone isn't from this town and then trying to eliminate them is prejudicial against foreigners.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:36 am

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oh no i was taking a nap! start the thread over!!!
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:36 am

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I'm looking forward to ABR and Blair also arguing for overturning the ban on using the n-word.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:37 am

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In post 75, T-Bone wrote:
In post 70, Blair wrote:Can we rebrand Cops to Social Workers, please?

The history of racism in law enforcement speaks for itself. The fact that we not only include this terminology in our game format (as one of the most prominent "power" roles, no less) is bad enough, but to add insult to injury, Cops are near-universally placed on the town (read: "Good") side? What kind of message does that send?
We will consider this. Thank you for the suggestion.
i can't tell if serious and thats what makes it good satire.
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:37 am

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In post 75, T-Bone wrote:
In post 70, Blair wrote:Can we rebrand Cops to Social Workers, please?

The history of racism in law enforcement speaks for itself. The fact that we not only include this terminology in our game format (as one of the most prominent "power" roles, no less) is bad enough, but to add insult to injury, Cops are near-universally placed on the town (read: "Good") side? What kind of message does that send?
We will consider this. Thank you for the suggestion.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:38 am

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I'm actually pretty down with getting rid of cop as a word. Detective is far better suited
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:38 am

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In post 84, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm looking forward to ABR and Blair also arguing for overturning the ban on using the n-word.
That wouldn't be consistent with my stated argument, so your bad faith mind reading attempt is noted.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:38 am

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In post 73, Elsa Jay wrote:No point arguing on a site that goes one way on that front Nex. I support getting rid of lynches IRL. I support california and Oregan actually arresting those people. I just, again, don't support removing anything from history because people don't like it.
No one's removing history. We're not going though with CTRL+F and modifying historical posts.

We're saying that "lynching" has a specific, racist connotation. Going forward, please don't invoke it further.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:39 am

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In post 87, panthaleon wrote:I'm actually pretty down with getting rid of cop as a word. Detective is far better suited
Real talk: Is Detective not already a role? For some reason I thought it was.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:39 am

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In post 84, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm looking forward to ABR and Blair also arguing for overturning the ban on using the n-word.
I look forward to admins trying to ban the word scum, a derogatory word that originated with classifying Africans as ‘a low, vile, or worthless person or group of people’.

The word scum is extremely problematic, yes, but there was a different historical context to its use. Present day, and inside our community, scum doesn't mean that.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:39 am

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Because yes the same connotations are commonly associated with it in actual practice.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:40 am

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In post 73, Elsa Jay wrote:No point arguing on a site that goes one way on that front Nex. I support getting rid of lynches IRL. I support california and Oregan actually arresting those people. I just, again, don't support removing anything from history because people don't like it.
how do you feel about confederate statues
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:40 am

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Tbh I've already cut scum from my Mafia lexicon
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:40 am

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Wait.

I just figured it out.

This is the new Uspol thread!
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:40 am

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In post 91, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 84, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm looking forward to ABR and Blair also arguing for overturning the ban on using the n-word.
I look forward to admins trying to ban the word scum, a derogatory word that originated with classifying Africans as ‘a low, vile, or worthless person or group of people’.

The word scum is extremely problematic, yes, but there was a different historical context to its use. Present day, and inside our community, scum doesn't mean that.
The present day use of lynch is still problematic, though.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:41 am

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In post 93, N wrote:
In post 73, Elsa Jay wrote:No point arguing on a site that goes one way on that front Nex. I support getting rid of lynches IRL. I support california and Oregan actually arresting those people. I just, again, don't support removing anything from history because people don't like it.
how do you feel about confederate statues
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:41 am

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In post 93, N wrote:
In post 73, Elsa Jay wrote:No point arguing on a site that goes one way on that front Nex. I support getting rid of lynches IRL. I support california and Oregan actually arresting those people. I just, again, don't support removing anything from history because people don't like it.
how do you feel about confederate statues
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:42 am

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In post 98, Blair wrote:
In post 93, N wrote:
In post 73, Elsa Jay wrote:No point arguing on a site that goes one way on that front Nex. I support getting rid of lynches IRL. I support california and Oregan actually arresting those people. I just, again, don't support removing anything from history because people don't like it.
how do you feel about confederate statues
Hot Take: The victorious side should always tear down the opposition's monuments if they intend to occupy the conquered territory. The Union should have torn those statues down as soon as victory was secured.
... they weren't erected until 50 years later
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