Open 780: Chromavalon - GAME OVER

[Battle Mage]

I'm gonna go with VOTE: SirCakez as I'm more confident on that one.

[SirCakez]

Yeah ok lol

[Battle Mage]

Yeah ok lol

Lack of a vote for me is tantamount to a confession? It's LyLo, so if you were town you should always be voting for me here, particularly if you aren't planning to engage with me.

[PenguinPower]

Where was the crumb from enomis? Your slot hasn't played well if you are a Merlin, and that hammer was gross. Explanation for that?

[Battle Mage]

Enomis only had 9 posts before requesting replacement, so easy to read his ISO. Aside from random voting and speculation, TSE was the only strong preference he expressed (which was his way of communicating to the other Merlins).

I like the TSE wagon.

VOTE: TSE

L-2

-Shows why TSE is scummy
-Hey, I’ll hop on the counterwagon.

...

You can read it as,

I would prefer TSE wagon but I am ok with a hiraki wagon too.

And yes I know I haven't played well, although you can't criticise "the slot" as we're the only ones who've managed to hold up our end.

I don't know if it's helpful for me to talk more about the hammer or why I've followed certain leads, just in case we manage to go back-to-back. And on a broader point, hammers like that are very much part my town game, especially as a PR where I don't want to get NKed.

[PenguinPower]

Those aren’t crumbs. That’s distancing from a partner.

[SirCakez]

Yeah ok lol

Lack of a vote for me is tantamount to a confession? It's LyLo, so if you were town you should always be voting for me here, particularly if you aren't planning to engage with me.

I'm not gonna help you self hammer

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I don’t buy the hammer explanation or your claim. If that’s part of your town game it needs to not be. You denied a lot of conversation yesterday.

[Five Candles]

Running the numbers, Galron has to be scum. Let's bank this one!

VOTE: Galron

What did you mean by "running the numbers"? If it's solely talking about how our fellow Merlins acted, then why would you even bring it up in the first place?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I don’t buy the hammer explanation or your claim. If that’s part of your town game it needs to not be. You denied a lot of conversation yesterday.

You're right that in retrospect it wasn't a good move, but didn't you push to lynch Galron for exactly the same reason yesterday? The idea that you don't think town does that, has been disproved once within this game already.

[Five Candles]

In hindsight I should have been more active and artificially posted lots of reads to obfuscate things, but it felt kinda high-effort when my main job was done and I just needed to keep a low profile and try and pick things up from others. So apologies for not playing better.

This doesn't really make sense to me. TSE was dead, so you could solve with no fear at that point and wouldn't have to worry about giving much away. When you're a one-shot cop and get a guilty night 1 and lynch scum day 2, do you lurk for the rest of the game thinking "your job is done", or do you try and step up as the town leader? From what I've seen of your mindset in other games, it's the latter.

I'm backing Shocking Merlin here.

[Battle Mage]

Running the numbers, Galron has to be scum. Let's bank this one!

VOTE: Galron

What did you mean by "running the numbers"? If it's solely talking about how our fellow Merlins acted, then why would you even bring it up in the first place?

It's basically a paraphrase of process of elimination - obviously I knew Galron wasn't a Merlin, and I thought even if Galron flipped town, narrowing the non-Merlin pool could lead to a solve, if we could somehow get enough Merlins through to late-game to guarantee victory.

[Battle Mage]

In hindsight I should have been more active and artificially posted lots of reads to obfuscate things, but it felt kinda high-effort when my main job was done and I just needed to keep a low profile and try and pick things up from others. So apologies for not playing better.

This doesn't really make sense to me. TSE was dead, so you could solve with no fear at that point and wouldn't have to worry about giving much away. When you're a one-shot cop and get a guilty night 1 and lynch scum day 2, do you lurk for the rest of the game thinking "your job is done", or do you try and step up as the town leader? From what I've seen of your mindset in other games, it's the latter.

I'm backing Shocking Merlin here.

Good use of meta, and a nice analogy, but not quite a true reflection of the mechanic here, as I'm actually a 3-shot cop with 2 innocents and a guilty, but if I give away my innocents, then I risk losing the game. The last thing I'd want is to be town leader here when my 2 innocents know who the remaining scum are, and I'm wanting them to signal it to me!

[Battle Mage]

essentially, the way I saw it, when I replaced in my predecessor had fulfilled our core objective, and my first priority was to try not to fk it up by giving their identities away, but to wait for steers. I think scum would almost certainly have pegged me as the TSE Merlin anyway. It's a shitty spot now as I need to say more to 'prove' myself, but also not wanting to make it too easy for scum to achieve their other wincon.

[Battle Mage]

either way, quick shout to the Mod for letting me replace in! It's a fun mechanic but takes some getting used to - I would definitely play again, but would take a much different approach!

[PenguinPower]

You're right that in retrospect it wasn't a good move, but didn't you push to lynch Galron for exactly the same reason yesterday? The idea that you don't think town does that, has been disproved once within this game already.

It's one reason I was pushing him, but if you cared to read my ISO you would also see I was pushing him for not taking hard stances. You cut that conversation short as he was starting to actually converse because of "the numbers."

[SirCakez]

I am ready to vote BM but I want to hear from Hiraki first

[Hiraki]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I don’t buy the hammer explanation or your claim. If that’s part of your town game it needs to not be. You denied a lot of conversation yesterday.

I'd like to add onto this that it is absolutely detrimental to a town win to claim Merlin if you are town because now scum have one of the Merlins. It just feels like a bait to get someone to CC and have all of the cards on the table which is the absolute opposite of the point of this game.

P.S. I remembered to use vote tags this time!

SirCakez tomorrow. As per usual, D1 Hiraki was on point.

I also want to add that I prefer Cakez over Midari because Cakezscum confirms Midari while Midariscum doesn't confirm Cakescum. That really only plays a factor in the order of lynches of which I think the game ends - something that I'm not entirely sure of either but getting closer and closer to doing so.

In hindsight, kicking myself super hard for not going farther here.

[Hiraki]

I'd like to add onto this that it is absolutely detrimental to a town win to claim Merlin if you are town because now scum have one of the Merlins. It just feels like a bait to get someone to CC and have all of the cards on the table which is the absolute opposite of the point of this game.

One more thought - it is almost optimal to end the game here on a Merlin claim if you are a Merlin because you've just made the odds smaller for scum to get it right. It reeks of a shitty bait out for someone to "CC" you which will never ever happen.

[Battle Mage]

Ah well, I was actually town! Assuming I had it right on the final day?

Hiraki, it looks like you didn't take into account that it was LyLo today. So if I didn't claim we'd have lost anyway because I'd be lynched. Scum guessing the Merlins correctly is irrelevant if they can get a majority, so my play today was absolutely correct. Albeit it would have been better to not be in that position.

GG anyway guys and thanks again to BBMolla and Auro!

[Battle Mage]

I'd like to add onto this that it is absolutely detrimental to a town win to claim Merlin if you are town because now scum have one of the Merlins. It just feels like a bait to get someone to CC and have all of the cards on the table which is the absolute opposite of the point of this game.

One more thought - it is almost optimal to end the game here on a Merlin claim if you are a Merlin because you've just made the odds smaller for scum to get it right. It reeks of a shitty bait out for someone to "CC" you which will never ever happen.

You got this totally wrong here - I had to claim honestly to try and avoid getting mislynched which would lose us the game anyway.

I don't think I gave enough away that they would have got all 3 right, but we'll see shortly I guess!

[Five Candles]

What is your Merlin nickname?

[SirCakez]

He's not even hammered and he's crying wolf
Also I'm not hammering rn btw

[SirCakez]

Call this intent so anyone else get in any last posts then I'm hammering later

[SirCakez]

Hmmm I'm ready to death match Hiraki tomorrow but I don't want to discount PP/FC
I haven't really rethought them in a long time