Really Bad Idea Mafia - Game Over

[chenhsi]

I was considering me or M4yhem shoot EA, since I still don't like EA for killing scum. Although that is just a feeling...

And why don't you want a lurker at endgame?

Should I list out all our possibilities? I have them written in my notes.

[M4yhem]

You have notes?

I'd like to see them.

I'd be happy with you shooting EA but that leaves a lot of power in my hands, Chensi. Are you happy with that?

Xtoxm- I flip-flop on you. Sometimes I think you're angry town, sometimes I think you're scum.

EA is an unknown quantity. At this stage, if he's a threat i'd like him neutralized. You are already neutralized because you're on 48hrs, so letting you live another day is a real possibility.

[chenhsi]

All I did was list out all the possibilities. I am not sure whether to post them, because that means mafia might realize that something which they were planning to do wouldn't work. Like see a better idea.

And I assumed there was only 1 scum left...

[Xtoxm]

Xtoxm- I flip-flop on you. Sometimes I think you're angry town, sometimes I think you're scum.

Lol, so do I for you...Sometimes I think you're blindsided town (to put it nicely).

[M4yhem]

I don't think I'm blindsided. I still think shooting Goborage before he could talk was an anti-town act.

Chensi- It's your choice. I would say that the more analysis we have at this point, the more chance we have to get it right.

[Xtoxm]

I probably should have waited. I got a bit frustrated and was worried someone was going to shoot me first and as I knew I was town I wanted to get off a shot on a possible scum.

[somestrangeflea]

I'm a fan of "chenhsi shoots Xtoxm" on the grounds that chenhsi has been unsettlingly fence-sitty, and nothing has changed WRT Xtoxm

What, and leave M4 and EA on 24 hours, so if one is scum they kill the other for the win? Seriosuly?

The thing here is that I'm

pretty sure

you're scum. So much so that I am willing to give M4yhem/EA the benefit of the doubt...

...if EA decides to post ever.

That said, statistically speaking, a smaller group is less likely to have the scum in it, and I've always found that I trust numbers more than people, so I'll concede that you may well have a point there...

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You say nothing has changed WRT to me.

Why do you even find me scummy?

I suspect you because of what Tarhalindur said.

I don't think it's inconceivable that we have another Godfather lying around somewhere. I'm going to make an intuitive leap here and say that, if said Godfather exists, his name is probably Xtoxm (brought up the BOGUS "Godfather is dead, so Mafia can't have a daykill" argument and killed Day 5 - read "immediately after the first Godfather died).

I suspect you because Tarhalindur was then declared NK'd six posts later.
I suspect you for pulling the trigger when you were explicitly warned not to.
I suspect you for going against what you said yourself and then covering it up.

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And why don't you want a lurker at endgame?

Because it's pretty hard to make an endgame decision if you

aren't there

...

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I got a bit frustrated and was worried someone was going to shoot me first

Even though everyone except Goborage had agreed (by way of posting and not shooting)

not to

until discussion happened?

[Erratus Apathos]

I was in support of chenhsi shooting xtoxm, until this:

I was considering me or M4yhem shoot EA, since I still don't like EA for killing scum.

You have until I'm able to shoot to explain how in the HELL killing scum makes me scum. Go ahead, make me fucking

LAUGH

. After Mini 601, I can see Xtoxm's bad play this game stemming from him just being flat-out terrible at Mafia, but I cannot envision someone so utterly backwater retarded that they manage to come to the conclusion that scum are

more

likely than town to kill scum.

If you actually believe that, you have no business playing Mafia, period.

More realistically, you're scum looking to leave Xtoxm alive to take the fall tomorrow, but because there is no legit argument against anyone else you have to opportunistically jump on a worthless argument.

M4yhem and SSF are obvtown. If they're scum, they've earned the win by virtue of not being blithering idiots pushing garbage logic.

[Xtoxm]

Please refrain from personal attacks. Just because I make a wrong decision does not make me flat out crap at mafia. Fact is I found you very scummy that game and Goat very town.

If you continue I will take it very personally.

Imo, if Chen is scum he's played well enough to deserve the win and i've put my trust in him.

[chenhsi]

Well, then if I were scum, and I had shot a scum, then I obviously convince everyone that I am town! It's like when a scum hammers another scum! Why? To persuade people that they couldn't be scum since they killed another scum!

Anyway, thanks for the confidence Xtoxm!

[chenhsi]

EBWOP: I would convince most people (like you) that I am town, anyway, if I shot a scum.

Now explain how a scum killing his partner is retarded if it clears him.

[M4yhem]

I think EA and Chen both have a point.

EA is right that people who shot scum are not

more likely

to be scum than people who shot scum.

Chen is right that shooting scum could be a good way for other scum to clear themselves. (Especially in your case, EA, because Fonz was obviously going to be shot anyway.)

[chenhsi]

Your right, I didn't notice that he said most likely, but I still consider it a good chance.

[Erratus Apathos]

Ugh. Sorry about the over-bitchiness of my last post.

xtoxm: It wasn't my intention to start a flame-war although I realize now that I've calmed down that there's not really any other way to take that remark. What I was meaning to get at was that in the other game, you didn't read like half the thread and didn't give me a chance to defend myself or make a case against Goatrevolt, so it stands to reason that you're a much more impatient player than is necessary and this may have come across in your play in this game as well. Again I'm sorry I was a dick.

While thinking about chenhsi's latest comments I've come to a different conclusion than I've been thinking.

Point 1: Shooting Goons as opposed to shooting town in Bad Idea is a null tell.

The first phase of Bad Idea is clearing out all the Goons. Every player has to either kill, die, or be cop-cleared before the game can move on from this phase. The game will not move on from this phase any faster if the Goons are the first unconfirmed players to die, the last, or anywhere in between. As a result, it doesn't actually help or hurt either side to shoot a Goon, making it a null tell.

Point 2: Godfathers want to kill ASAP.

Godfathers are obviously the most important role the scum have. Losing a Godfather is a critical blow to scum, so the Godfather wants to get out of the unconfirmed pool ASAP. (ChaosOmega didn't think to do so, and look what happened to him.) Therefore, Godfathers will shoot earlier than townies will.

Now then, here's a list of where the remaining players first killed:

xtoxm: Day 5
SSF: Day 6
M4yhem: Day 10
chenhsi: Day 11
EA: Day 14 (cleared Day 11 by Niv)

Therefore, I'm now of the mindset that the top suspects are Xtoxm and SSF.

Discuss.

[somestrangeflea]

[T]he Godfather wants to get out of the unconfirmed pool ASAP.

kuribo, Grimmy, Korlash, Natirasha. All townies. All shot after the first Godfather was dead. Most importantly, they all shot as soon as they could, presumably to get themselves out of the unconfirmed pool.

Yes, the Godfather wanted to get out of the unconfirmed pool ASAP, but, from the looks of things, so did

everyone else

.

I think shooting order is null because I think everyone, town or scum, would have shot earlier if they had the chance...

Time since Daybreak: 25 hours and 5 minutes.

[M4yhem]

EA- If I could have, I'd have shot immediatly. Many players here, including me, joined to kill people.

[chenhsi]

Point 2: Godfathers want to kill ASAP.

Godfathers are obviously the most important role the scum have. Losing a Godfather is a critical blow to scum, so the Godfather wants to get out of the unconfirmed pool ASAP. (ChaosOmega didn't think to do so, and look what happened to him.) Therefore, Godfathers will shoot earlier than townies will.

Now then, here's a list of where the remaining players first killed:

xtoxm: Day 5
SSF: Day 6
M4yhem: Day 10
chenhsi: Day 11
EA: Day 14 (cleared Day 11 by Niv)

Therefore, I'm now of the mindset that the top suspects are Xtoxm and SSF.

No. I shot as soon as I can (although I had 2 opportunities in the first 3 days to shoot, which I didn't take). Does that mean I am scum? No! It merely means that I wanted to kill someone. EA, Day 14 could have been the first time you saw the thread open, for all we know.

[chenhsi]

Actually, never mind, I didn't shoot immediately. But still, my point is still the same.

[somestrangeflea]

Many players here, including me, joined to kill people.

In-thread poll supports this.

[M4yhem]

Kill:somestrangeflea

[M4yhem]

...testing.

Okay, this is difficult. I can think of good reasons to shoot every one of you.

[M4yhem]

Kill: Erratus Apathos

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Erratus Apathos, a townie, killed by M4yhem during Day 18

Night 18

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

M4yhem, a townie, shot to hell during Night 18

Day 19

[Xtoxm]

Wow. I was expecting Chen to die.

Your not scum are you Chen? If you are you've won.

Well, if you don't shoot within the 48 hours I plan to shoot SSF.