ZS: Why do you keep ignoring the fact that I came up with the plan, and keep going after armlx for it when it wasn't his plan?ZombieSlayer54 wrote:I would still be trying to lynch the person armlx, even if we got more scum kills.wolframnhart wrote:I don't think it was armlx that proposed it, but I have read back and yes ZS does continually criticize armlx for the plan, at the very least being apart of it.
I would like part of my answer to armlx earlier post to be answered by ZS though. If we had gotten more scum kills out of the dayvig power usage so far, would you still be trying to lynch the person who brought up the plan, or would you be happy with it and trying to find a different person you thought was scum? Also, aside from the "overly-aggressiveness" and the "plan" do you think that armlx is scum for any other reason, or for just those two reasons?
Just those two reasons.
And armlx: I still like the insurance, no matter what.
Primarily because, in my point of view, you were the one to first suggest the plan, while armlx was the one who really formulated it and pushed it through.hasdgfas wrote:ZS: Why do you keep ignoring the fact that I came up with the plan, and keep going after armlx for it when it wasn't his plan?ZombieSlayer54 wrote:I would still be trying to lynch the person armlx, even if we got more scum kills.wolframnhart wrote:I don't think it was armlx that proposed it, but I have read back and yes ZS does continually criticize armlx for the plan, at the very least being apart of it.
I would like part of my answer to armlx earlier post to be answered by ZS though. If we had gotten more scum kills out of the dayvig power usage so far, would you still be trying to lynch the person who brought up the plan, or would you be happy with it and trying to find a different person you thought was scum? Also, aside from the "overly-aggressiveness" and the "plan" do you think that armlx is scum for any other reason, or for just those two reasons?
Just those two reasons.
And armlx: I still like the insurance, no matter what.
As of immediately after reading this post, I will side with you, and will remain sided with your plan which I believed to be a good one. As I had said earlier, the town's power rests in the daykills while the mafia controls the night. If this plan fails, then we should re-evaluate.armlx wrote:I want pwnz and Wolf to take an official side in the me vs. ZS thing. Who, if either, do they think is right in the over aggressive and "kill the suggestor" issues and which, if either, do they think is scum? (I know Wolf has answered the latter, but I don't think I've seen an answer to the first part from him)
I already said that I want armlx lynched as an insurance policy. I am not directly attacking him over it.pwnz wrote:We have to realize is that this "plan" that keeps getting referred to hasn't even really yielded any results. The only kills we have had so far have been a Mafia suicide bomb on a vigilante and an overly-aggressive icemanE-bomb on a townie. The only thing that has happened as a direct result of said plan has been to poison Empking, and we're still waiting on the autopsy. There is no need to be attacking hasdgfas or armlx for a plan that they came up with especially since the killings that have happened so far have been completely beyond their power.
So, ZS, why are you attacking someone who has done nothing but suggest a plan?
Oh believe me, I knew there was no night phase when I asked that question.ZombieSlayer54 wrote:There was no night phase, in case you forgot.hasdgfas wrote:results?ZombieSlayer54 wrote:In other news:
L-1. Good time to claim, right?
I am secretly a cop.
Normally I'd unvote you without question. However, we have one scum down, and I'm hoping another down with the empking poison. This would still leave you to be the third one and the only reasonable place for my vote.ZombieSlayer54 wrote:I am secretly a cop.
My point was I don't see what cop has to do with his alignment. TBH, even before that, he was the most powerful investigative role in the game, and none of you cared.@armlx, I think it means everyone was randomly assigned their public role. People were then randomly assigned secret roles. People were then randomly assigned alignments. This reminds me of something I wanted to bring up, all these secret roles seem fishy, cop, bulletproof, vig. It seems like there's an awful lot of them, which doesn't help ZS's claim, but as I said, I think that we shouldn't lynch him today.
When someone claims cop on D1 in a normal game at L-1, it doesn't have much to do with their actual alignment, so that's why you let them live N1 and then take it from there. Plus, I actually find Wolf's latest actions to be scummier than ZS's so I'd have put my vote on wolf even if ZS didn't claim cop.armlx wrote:My point was I don't see what cop has to do with his alignment. TBH, even before that, he was the most powerful investigative role in the game, and none of you cared.@armlx, I think it means everyone was randomly assigned their public role. People were then randomly assigned secret roles. People were then randomly assigned alignments. This reminds me of something I wanted to bring up, all these secret roles seem fishy, cop, bulletproof, vig. It seems like there's an awful lot of them, which doesn't help ZS's claim, but as I said, I think that we shouldn't lynch him today.
The difference is that if they are an actual cop they are assured town in that scenario. I feel ZS's actions have gone way beyond reasonable at this point and I don't think his cop claim changes his value to the point we are required to not lynch him today.When someone claims cop on D1 in a normal game at L-1, it doesn't have much to do with their actual alignment, so that's why you let them live N1 and then take it from there.
here's the thing, I had read through the ZS and armlx argument, and had even voiced my opinion on it a few times. I stated that I was taking armlx side of the argument before, and after really looking at ZS's comment of insurance vote I didn't like the sound of it. It had nothing to do with you or pwnz, I would have voted ZS even if neither of you had said anything against him. As it is, if ZS really is a cop, I feel like crap now for making him role claim. If he is cop, I hope that someone protects him tonight because I think he would be very valuable in the long run, even more so then my day vig ability.charter wrote:However, wolf's vote was INCREDIBLY suspicious. He puts ZS at L-1 AFTER me and pwnz have sided against ZS. Basically, the whole town (minus the gimbo debacle) is not favoring ZS, and NOW once he's confirmed that, he votes ZS and even still seems very reserved about it. Plus his justification makes little sense and is very weak for a L-1 vote.
even if he's telling the truth, he could still be scum.Empking wrote:Wow he's a very powerful investigative role. (Presuming he's telling the truth.) I definately don't think he should be lynched just in case.
ZS, would you answer pwnz question.
hmm, what would make you think that unless you have some knowledge?ZombieSlayer54 wrote:Also: I think "Mafia Goon" is probably a secret role in itself, rather than "Mafia" being an alignment randomly assigned after the public and secret roles are assigned.